Hi everyone,

I think XFWM 4.13 should fix the famous XFCE screen tearing with the
"Synchronize drawing to vertical blank" present in Compositor Window
Manager Tweak, right?

Well, I think there is some problem with debian/ubuntu packages. Mint
tried to introduce it within LinuxMint XFCE 18.2, but it doesn't work:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/linuxmint/+bug/1704484

I tough this could be a Mint problem, but today I tried the package
from Xubuntu QA Experimental on Xubuntu 18.04 and it still doesn't
work.

kafran@i5447:~$ xfwm4 --replace
Waiting for current window manager (Xfwm4) on screen :0.0 to exit: Done

(xfwm4:4905): xfwm4-WARNING **: 18:56:19.415: GL not available

(xfwm4:4905): xfwm4-WARNING **: 18:56:19.655: Failed to connect to
session manager: Failed to connect to the session manager:
Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols
specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

(xfwm4:4905): xfwm4-WARNING **: 18:56:19.667: Dismissing XPresent as
unusable, error 3 for request 148

Should I report a bug about this? Where Xubuntu tracks its bugs?

King regards,

Kolmar Kafran
http://kafran.net

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>       area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
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>       area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
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>       area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
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> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 16:35:20 +0200
> From: Willem Hobers <whob...@gmail.com>
> To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Panel plugin/Indicator plugin/Notification
>         area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
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> Hi all,
>
> I also feel more unification would be nice: with certain themes the
> icons (as far as their background colour is concerned) behave
> differently on my set up, depending on (I believe) whether they are
> panel or notification plugins - especially when using dark themes this
> is a bit of a nuisance when some icons become invisible.
>
> Still: Xubuntu 18.04 is proving to be a rock solid release. Thanks for
> all the work.
>
> Willem
>
>
> Op 17-05-18 om 13:42 schreef Mariusz Kubański:
>> Hello. I got to agree with Kolmar on that subject. I know that someone
>> can view this issue as small and unimportant, but I also think that
>> panel icons (plugins and applets) should be somehow more unified. They
>> really don't look good on bigger panels, like Kolmar said. And it
>> seems like there are three different plugins to handle very similar
>> things.
>>
>> I know that there are many more important things to do before 18.10
>> release (porting to GTK3, bug fixes etc.), but I hope that the
>> Xubuntu/Xfce devs will look at this issue in the future.
>>
>> Thanks and keep up the good work,
>> Mariusz (Spass)
>>
>>
>> W dniu 15.05.2018 o 22:03, Kolmar Kafran pisze:
>>> Howdy dear fellows,
>>>
>>> With the new Xubuntu 18.04 it's a little confusing how these items
>>> works together: panel plugins, indicator plugin, notification area
>>> and status notifier plugin. What's the best way to go? Within Xubuntu
>>> 16.04 I use notification area and indicator plugin and everything
>>> just works. Now I feel like there are a lot of these items to do the
>>> same thing. For example, now we have a new Power manager panel
>>> plugin. But on the power manager settings there is an option to show
>>> the power manager icon on notification area which works with
>>> notification area but doesn't with "status notifier plugin". Despite
>>> this, the notification area icon behaves differently from the power
>>> manager plugin.
>>>
>>> One thing I love about XFCE is the panel because I like to use the
>>> panel on the vertical. With these new panel plugins (notification,
>>> power, sound etc), the icons size on a vertical panel 35px wide are
>>> huge. With notification area plugin its possible to set the maximum
>>> pixel size to 22px and everything sits nicely inside notification
>>> area. What should I do now? It seems like XFCE has implemented a lot
>>> of new features which just overlap other features that do the same
>>> thing. When you put everything together it looks like out of place or
>>> even a little buggy as things doesn't works as expected.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Kolmar Kafran
>>> üPor favor, considere a proteção ao meio ambiente antes de imprimir
>>> esse e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 14:23:45 -0300
> From: Kolmar Kafran <kol...@kafran.net>
> To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Panel plugin/Indicator plugin/Notification
>         area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
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>
> For a more visual explanation, this is how I use XFCE for years now:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/w9Narw6.png
>
> I think we should have only one notification "thing" and everything
> above the Workspace Switcher in this picture goes inside of it, no?
> Well, I'm just a user and this is how I interact with XFCE (=
> Also, if someone knows a way to improve this with Xubuntu 18.04
> through modifying something with Xfconf or tweaking the theme I would
> be thankfully, because I'm sticking with it until 20.04.
>
> King regards,
>
> Kolmar Kafran
>
> ü Por favor, considere a proteção ao meio ambiente antes de imprimir
> esse e-mail.
>
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>>       area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
>>       (Mariusz Kubański)
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>> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 13:42:30 +0200
>> From: Mariusz Kubański <mkuban...@linux.pl>
>> To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: Panel plugin/Indicator plugin/Notification
>>         area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
>> Message-ID: <01fd8ce1-0de3-f7aa-3331-9d51073d5...@linux.pl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hello. I got to agree with Kolmar on that subject. I know that someone
>> can view this issue as small and unimportant, but I also think that
>> panel icons (plugins and applets) should be somehow more unified. They
>> really don't look good on bigger panels, like Kolmar said. And it seems
>> like there are three different plugins to handle very similar things.
>>
>> I know that there are many more important things to do before 18.10
>> release (porting to GTK3, bug fixes etc.), but I hope that the
>> Xubuntu/Xfce devs will look at this issue in the future.
>>
>> Thanks and keep up the good work,
>> Mariusz (Spass)
>>
>>
>> W dniu 15.05.2018 o 22:03, Kolmar Kafran pisze:
>> > Howdy dear fellows,
>> >
>> > With the new Xubuntu 18.04 it's a little confusing how these items works
>> > together: panel plugins, indicator plugin, notification area and status
>> > notifier plugin. What's the best way to go? Within Xubuntu 16.04 I use
>> > notification area and indicator plugin and everything just works. Now I
>> > feel like there are a lot of these items to do the same thing. For
>> > example, now we have a new Power manager panel plugin. But on the power
>> > manager settings there is an option to show the power manager icon on
>> > notification area which works with notification area but doesn't with
>> > "status notifier plugin". Despite this, the notification area icon
>> > behaves differently from the power manager plugin.
>> >
>> > One thing I love about XFCE is the panel because I like to use the panel
>> > on the vertical. With these new panel plugins (notification, power,
>> > sound etc), the icons size on a vertical panel 35px wide are huge. With
>> > notification area plugin its possible to set the maximum pixel size to
>> > 22px and everything sits nicely inside notification area. What should I
>> > do now? It seems like XFCE has implemented a lot of new features which
>> > just overlap other features that do the same thing. When you put
>> > everything together it looks like out of place or even a little buggy as
>> > things doesn't works as expected.
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > Kolmar Kafran
>> > üPor favor, considere a proteção ao meio ambiente antes de imprimir esse
>> > e-mail.
>> >
>> >
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 21:45:49 +0100
> From: flocculant <floccul...@gmx.co.uk>
> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>,
>         Xubuntu Support and User Discussions <xubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Application testing for the new development cycle
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> During this new 6 month cycle we are hoping to ramp up testing of
> applications - separate from testing ISO's.
>
> So if you want to get involved with something that you can pick up, put
> down and which isn't too onerous this could be for you.
>
> Before we can set up testing of applications ( it's tracked on a Ubuntu
> QA tracker and they call it package testing) we need to make sure the
> tests we do have are up to date.
>
> You will need a few things:
>
>  1. an up to date iso to boot - you can run the test from a USB, a
>     virtual machine
>  2. something to write on
>  3. a web browser
>  4. an e-mail client
>  5. patience - we've not checked them for at a year
>
> You can grab the iso from
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current - this url is
> always the latest.
>
> Open your browser at
> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/377/builds/146768/testcases
>
>
> You'll see a list of applications and packages there.
>
>  1. Pick something you fancy checking - Reply All to this mail telling
>     other people what you intend to test (we'd not want everyone to be
>     checking the same testcase)
>  2. Open your chosen testcase, then click the Detailed information on
>     the testcase button and make a note of the Testcase ID
>  3. Follow the testcase _exactly_ as it tells you
>  4. Make notes where something isn't working as the testcase expects -
>     this is a bug, a testcase bug. If necessary continue to the next
>     step as best you can ignoring the instruction if the application no
>     longer works as written
>  5. When you have completed checking your testcase and assuming that you
>     found no errors with it - let us know on the mailing list.
>
> That's a lot of words which basically mean - read the testcase, follow
> it and note down where something is different.
>
> If you did find an issue with the testcase - report it to Launchpad.
> This could be as simple as the testcase calls for a button called Next
> but it's now called Continue, it could even be that the testcase covers
> something the application does but isn't tested.
>
>  1. Open your browser at
>     https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+filebug
>  2. In the Summary box - please report it with something like this
>     syntax Testcase 1559 Catfish Fails To Open From Whiskermenu, 1559
>     being the ID you previously noted
>  3. Click Next - then regardless of any previous bugs it prompts you
>     with - Click No, I need to report a new bug
>  4. Using the notes you made while checking the testcase fill in your
>     further information
>  5. You can now if you wish tell us the bug number - but it's not
>     necessary as I am subscribed to Testcase Bugs
>
> If you have needed to report a bug - the Testcase ID is important -
> there are 1700 different ID numbers - and the majority refer to live
> testcases.
>
> If the list of applications on the package tracker doesn't include
> something you use that you think should be tested - and is something
> that we have _by default_ - you can report this to the same url above -
> just say Testcase need for 'you fave application we don't test'
>
> If I need further information I will comment on your bug report so
> please keep an eye out for that.
>
> If you found that easy to do - how about doing another one ;)
>
> Cheers
>
> Kev
>
> for the Xubuntu Developers and QA Teams
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> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 21:01:46 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Aaron Franke <arnfra...@yahoo.com>
> To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Panel plugin/Indicator plugin/Notification
>         area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
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>  Speaking of issues with the panel, I would also like to point out an
> issue when the panel is greater than 50px tall, the "Window Buttons"
> item contains two rows, despite the panel's "Number of rows" set to "1".
>
> At 49px tall, the "Window Buttons" item displays normally.
>
> This is very annoying for anyone with a high-resolution screen that
> doesn't want to have a small panel. I have a 1080p screen and I like
> having a 40px panel, but if I were to purchase a 1440p or 4k screen
> then my ideal panel height would be above 50px.
>
>     On Thursday, May 17, 2018, 12:24:33 PM CDT, Kolmar Kafran 
> <kol...@kafran.net> wrote:
>
>  For a more visual explanation, this is how I use XFCE for years now:
>
> http://i.imgur.com/w9Narw6.png
>
> I think we should have only one notification "thing" and everything
> above the Workspace Switcher in this picture goes inside of it, no?
> Well, I'm just a user and this is how I interact with XFCE (=
> Also, if someone knows a way to improve this with Xubuntu 18.04
> through modifying something with Xfconf or tweaking the theme I would
> be thankfully, because I'm sticking with it until 20.04.
>
> King regards,
>
> Kolmar Kafran
>
> ü Por favor, considere a proteção ao meio ambiente antes de imprimir
> esse e-mail.
>
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>>    1. Re: Panel plugin/Indicator plugin/Notification
>>      area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
>>      (Mariusz Kubański)
>>
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 13:42:30 +0200
>> From: Mariusz Kubański <mkuban...@linux.pl>
>> To: xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: Panel plugin/Indicator plugin/Notification
>>        area/Notification plugin/Status Notifier Plugin on Xubuntu 18.04
>> Message-ID: <01fd8ce1-0de3-f7aa-3331-9d51073d5...@linux.pl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>> Hello. I got to agree with Kolmar on that subject. I know that someone
>> can view this issue as small and unimportant, but I also think that
>> panel icons (plugins and applets) should be somehow more unified. They
>> really don't look good on bigger panels, like Kolmar said. And it seems
>> like there are three different plugins to handle very similar things.
>>
>> I know that there are many more important things to do before 18.10
>> release (porting to GTK3, bug fixes etc.), but I hope that the
>> Xubuntu/Xfce devs will look at this issue in the future.
>>
>> Thanks and keep up the good work,
>> Mariusz (Spass)
>>
>>
>> W dniu 15.05.2018 o 22:03, Kolmar Kafran pisze:
>> > Howdy dear fellows,
>> >
>> > With the new Xubuntu 18.04 it's a little confusing how these items works
>> > together: panel plugins, indicator plugin, notification area and status
>> > notifier plugin. What's the best way to go? Within Xubuntu 16.04 I use
>> > notification area and indicator plugin and everything just works. Now I
>> > feel like there are a lot of these items to do the same thing. For
>> > example, now we have a new Power manager panel plugin. But on the power
>> > manager settings there is an option to show the power manager icon on
>> > notification area which works with notification area but doesn't with
>> > "status notifier plugin". Despite this, the notification area icon
>> > behaves differently from the power manager plugin.
>> >
>> > One thing I love about XFCE is the panel because I like to use the panel
>> > on the vertical. With these new panel plugins (notification, power,
>> > sound etc), the icons size on a vertical panel 35px wide are huge. With
>> > notification area plugin its possible to set the maximum pixel size to
>> > 22px and everything sits nicely inside notification area. What should I
>> > do now? It seems like XFCE has implemented a lot of new features which
>> > just overlap other features that do the same thing. When you put
>> > everything together it looks like out of place or even a little buggy as
>> > things doesn't works as expected.
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>> >
>> > Kolmar Kafran
>> > üPor favor, considere a proteção ao meio ambiente antes de imprimir esse
>> > e-mail.
>> >
>> >
>>
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