TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
q.v. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL>

Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this forum useful.

On 07/12/2017 02:01 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote:
Hi all,

For those who may not have read it in the thread where I mentioned
it, the purpose of this thread is simple:

My humble way of giving a contribution to the community within my
rookie means, in a threefold manner...

Don't knock it. Not only do you recognize (perhaps unconsciously) TANSTAAFL, but you saw a means to contribute by means other than programming. Other ways include proof reading &/or writing documentation and filing good bug reports.


1) The original subject of a thread usually gets lost in the twists
and turns that the replies take, often going astray into subjects
that have nothing to do with their original subject.

I assume you are referring to
<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2017-July/010229.html>.


When that deviation from the original sibject happens, people are
welcome to bring that deviation into here. That way the threads can
remain as useful references to their titled subjects and with
valuable info pertaining to that subject alone

You have chosen one of the possible solutions, one appropriate to your apparent goals.
In this post I chose a different method to achieve two goals:
  A. maintain close relationship to original thread.
  B. identify aspect of interest.


2) To bring forth insights into pros and cons of one too many things
linux related and

3) To gather as many and varied views and opinions - preferably with
sensible explanations as to "why" - as possible, which can bring
precious insights into the needs and expectations that users have
from their particular linux distro (in this case xubuntu xfce);
a graphical or musical user will have different needs and
expectations than a math teacher, an
average user, a programmer, a forensic analyst, etc...

This can in due course offer a substantial picture, map, of what is
lacking, what can be improved and how, etc...

I have asked Ralph to please be the Prosecutor beating the crap out
of me, who will be the horned bugger's advocate :) .... I hope he
accepts, as he has very good views and strong opinions well
reasoned...

So... I'll open it with a subject that is pertinent enough to have
some buying me a coffee and others hanging me by my balls :)

Give me a few minutes to dawn a pair of kevlar undies and I'll kick
start the fuss :)


I classify software differently than some people. I have a strong preference for FOSS for its emphasis on "free/libre" as in "free" speech. This is in contrast to "free/gratis". NOTE BENE: there there are many cases where proprietary software is available gratis - e.g. proprietary device drivers.

I've been a computer *USER* since taking a required programming course as an E.E. student in the early 60's. My PC's have ranged from a Kim with 1k RAM, through some CPM-80 systems with 16-64k to my my current 3GB Debian Stretch systems [with long detour using MS DOS -> WinXP].

I abandoned MS when they drifted from being a useful tool to requiring me to think in line with "the ONE true path" The final break was they effectively wanted me to rent new software that didn't meet my needs/desires any better than nominally obsolete product.

It is often not recognized that Microsoft, Apple, Canonical, Red Hat, Debian, and Ubuntu have something very much in common. They have one purpose in mind - providing product that matches their specific view of what the customer needs. I tried multiple distros - Debian was the best fit for _me_ [sometimes in hard to explicitly define ways].











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