On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Joao Monteiro <[email protected]> wrote:
> And that's not a bad thing, Guang, on the contrary.... variety, choices, > creativity... the very spices of Life itself. > > What is needed is a common base upon which to build all that diversity. > But imagine. Let's say Content Management System. There are how many? Maybe 200 or more? Maybe each have 5 devs or more. Imagine if there are only 20 very good CMS, having 50 devs each. Then each will be deeper and richer. > > So, if I'm grasping this right, getting the major players creating a > unified version of a kernel would do the trick, to a great extent. > > That unified kernel would then be able to serve all distros alike for > their variety of userland programs and applications, surely... > > The chaos of distros comes to a great extent, for what I'm gathering of > course, from the incompatibilities between kernels and their versions. > > Now. I'm well aware that what I'm suggesting here is a danger to turn the > linux kernel into a copy of windows and its versions, but.... > > I'm not suggesting it to become the standard for Linux, not even by a far > shot. No! > > I'm suggesting that it could be done as the one distro aimed at > facilitating and easing the transition from windows to linux for millions > users desperate to find something familiar, easy and encouraging enough for > them to finally have the courage to take the plunge. > > And once familiarized and comfortable enough with it, they/we would still > have available the miryad of distros out there to extend our wings and > explore and dive into. > > Just an idea, a view, an opinion, that's all... > > Tda ;) > > > > On 13 Jul 2017 07:25, "Guang Chao" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Joao Monteiro <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Richard, >>> >>> Thanks. Not knocking it, just being realist and aware of my own >>> limitations - and capabilities alike, of course. >>> >>> Yes, I did find a way indeed... which is why I sustain that if I can do >>> it, everybody can. And yet, I'm aware that there's a myriad of reasons why >>> sometimes we may not be able to go ahead with our good intentions... time >>> constraints, financial constraints, etc, to name just two of the most >>> common in this day and age. >>> >>> There IS actually something as a free lunch in all the sense of the >>> concept of "free". I could draw attentions to this very xubuntu community >>> as a good example and prove it in unmistakeable and irrefutable terms, but >>> it wouldn't serve any significant purpose right now... rather than elicit a >>> never ending arguing about the sex of the angels... futile and pointless, >>> lol... >>> >>> I'm glad you chose this approach and stated your goals for it... firstly >>> because that's pretty much what I'd love to see this thread achieving >>> (encouraging a variety of views, opinions, etc) and secondly because it >>> gives me the opportunity to earn my bread as a devil's advocate, so to >>> speak, hehehe... >>> >>> You said: " >>> >>> It is often not recognized that Microsoft, Apple, Canonical, Red Hat, >>> Debian, and Ubuntu have something very much in common. They have one >>> purpose in mind - providing product that matches their specific view of >>> what the customer needs. I tried multiple distros - Debian was the best fit >>> for _me_ [sometimes in hard to explicitly define ways]. >>> >>> OK, good that you found one that suits you. However, you still settled >>> for one of the main stream ones. And that's why there's so many varied >>> distros out there. Some people can't find one that suits them, so they make >>> use of linux's powerful versatility to grab a main stream one, tweak it and >>> alter it to suit their needs and then make it available for whomever else >>> to use if they like it. >>> >>> Great. Problem is that potential users aren't necessarilly >>> programming-capable and if the author(s) of a distro stop developing it or >>> maintaining it, those users will sooner or later be back on the search road >>> for another one. >>> >>> And that's a massive downside factor to most. >>> >>> Lastly, isn't the purpose of every distro "maker", the same as you >>> stated? Of course it is. >>> >>> Where it gets messy, though, is here... the "makers" of distros, OS's, >>> etc, are programmers and programmers - by the very nature of the skillsets >>> that made them programmers - have great difficulty understanding the needs >>> and mindsets of the average user who has no programming knowledge, aptitude >>> or intention to learn anything remotely resembling "programming". >>> >>> The average user is a typical consumer, with a consumer's mindset... >>> s/he wants to grab a computer loaded with "something" that allows them to >>> power it up and start typing away, pointing and clicking to get whatever >>> they need done. >>> >>> That's what Bill Gates understood and the reason of the success of >>> windows. >>> >>> This xubuntu xfce that I'm irredimibly in love with, seems to have been >>> created by programmers who have to some extent realized this as well and >>> even felt that exact need to some extent as well. >>> >> >> It's how open source should work. Someone don't like something, fork a >> project or create your own. Then people have lots of choices. And that's >> why you found xubuntu and xfce, because someone else forked or created >> something, and it ended up you like what they did. >> >> But on the downside, open source is so fragmented. See how many distro >> there are. How many desktop manager. How many projects doing the same >> thing. Instead of the large majority focusing on only few good ones, >> programmers are scattered doing their own version of what they want. >> >> >>> >>> As such, I do see it as a potential serious alternative to desperate >>> windows users yearning for a windows alternative. >>> >>> The mistake that many hurriedly make is to misinterpret this as being a >>> way of trying to turn linux into a replacement alternative to windows as a >>> focus of the development of the distro. >>> >>> No. It is not. >>> >>> Becoming a replacement alternative to windows comes unavoidably as a >>> NATURAL CONSEQUENCE of the development and improvement of the distro. >>> That's what need to be understood, imo... >>> >>> Tda :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12 Jul 2017 15:27, "Richard Owlett" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" >>> q.v. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL> >>> >>> Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this >>> forum useful. >>> >>> On 07/12/2017 02:01 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> For those who may not have read it in the thread where I mentioned >>>> it, the purpose of this thread is simple: >>>> >>>> My humble way of giving a contribution to the community within my >>>> rookie means, in a threefold manner... >>>> >>> >>> Don't knock it. Not only do you recognize (perhaps unconsciously) >>> TANSTAAFL, but you saw a means to contribute by means other than >>> programming. Other ways include proof reading &/or writing documentation >>> and filing good bug reports. >>> >>> >>>> 1) The original subject of a thread usually gets lost in the twists >>>> and turns that the replies take, often going astray into subjects >>>> that have nothing to do with their original subject. >>>> >>> >>> I assume you are referring to >>> <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2017-July/010229.html>. >>> >>> >>> When that deviation from the original sibject happens, people are >>>> welcome to bring that deviation into here. That way the threads can >>>> remain as useful references to their titled subjects and with >>>> valuable info pertaining to that subject alone >>>> >>> >>> You have chosen one of the possible solutions, one appropriate to your >>> apparent goals. >>> In this post I chose a different method to achieve two goals: >>> A. maintain close relationship to original thread. >>> B. identify aspect of interest. >>> >>> >>>> 2) To bring forth insights into pros and cons of one too many things >>>> linux related and >>>> >>>> 3) To gather as many and varied views and opinions - preferably with >>>> sensible explanations as to "why" - as possible, which can bring >>>> precious insights into the needs and expectations that users have >>>> from their particular linux distro (in this case xubuntu xfce); >>>> a graphical or musical user will have different needs and >>>> expectations than a math teacher, an >>>> average user, a programmer, a forensic analyst, etc... >>>> >>>> This can in due course offer a substantial picture, map, of what is >>>> lacking, what can be improved and how, etc... >>>> >>>> I have asked Ralph to please be the Prosecutor beating the crap out >>>> of me, who will be the horned bugger's advocate :) .... I hope he >>>> accepts, as he has very good views and strong opinions well >>>> reasoned... >>>> >>>> So... I'll open it with a subject that is pertinent enough to have >>>> some buying me a coffee and others hanging me by my balls :) >>>> >>>> Give me a few minutes to dawn a pair of kevlar undies and I'll kick >>>> start the fuss :) >>>> >>>> >>> I classify software differently than some people. I have a strong >>> preference for FOSS for its emphasis on "free/libre" as in "free" speech. >>> This is in contrast to "free/gratis". NOTE BENE: there there are many cases >>> where proprietary software is available gratis - e.g. proprietary device >>> drivers. >>> >>> I've been a computer *USER* since taking a required programming course >>> as an E.E. student in the early 60's. My PC's have ranged from a Kim with >>> 1k RAM, through some CPM-80 systems with 16-64k to my my current 3GB Debian >>> Stretch systems [with long detour using MS DOS -> WinXP]. >>> >>> I abandoned MS when they drifted from being a useful tool to requiring >>> me to think in line with "the ONE true path" The final break was they >>> effectively wanted me to rent new software that didn't meet my >>> needs/desires any better than nominally obsolete product. >>> >>> It is often not recognized that Microsoft, Apple, Canonical, Red Hat, >>> Debian, and Ubuntu have something very much in common. They have one >>> purpose in mind - providing product that matches their specific view of >>> what the customer needs. I tried multiple distros - Debian was the best fit >>> for _me_ [sometimes in hard to explicitly define ways]. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> xubuntu-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm >>> an/listinfo/xubuntu-users >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> xubuntu-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm >>> an/listinfo/xubuntu-users >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Guang >> <http://javadevnotes.com/java-float-to-string-2-decimal-places-examples/> >> >> -- >> xubuntu-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailm >> an/listinfo/xubuntu-users >> >> > -- > xubuntu-users mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/ > mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users > > -- Guang <http://javadevnotes.com/java-integer-to-fixed-length-string/>
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