Re TBird Little known fact you have to change a setting on your gmail account to allow "less secure apps" to access your account:
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en I don't worry because TBird is trust worthy and uses good security. See also https://www.lifewire.com/gmail-access-thunderbird-1173150 -- Roger Broseus Pls excuse auto-correction induzed tiepos. -----Original Message----- From: Karel P Coors <[email protected]> To: [email protected], Xubuntu Support and User Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] From 16.04 to 18.04 Thanks much performed clean install and all well now. Except Thunderbird refuses to accept mu Gmail passwords. So i uninstalled Tbird. Best regards On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 8:24 AM Klaus Maas <[email protected]> wrote: > To Karel and Fritz (further down) > > Dear Karel, > > just bad luck. > > It happened to me once as well when upgrading from 16:04 to 18:04. > I had two identical systems. On one it worked flawless, on the other it > didn't. > > On all the other occasions (20+) no issues. > > Once in while I do a clean install instead of an upgrade. > (preparing a list of repos and installed software incl. snaps and > appimages) > > Here is non-exhaustive list why: > - because I can > - it's faster to install > but all software needs re-installing > - I want to reconfigure the system > - change of software packaging (switching between: default repo / external > repo / snap / appimage) > - if I want the new system to use the new default 'setup paradigms' > - ... > > Important ( I almost forgot): > > There are no user data on any of the systems I maintain. > Local data (including email) are always stored externally (USB3 devices). > So I do not have to worry about maintaining any user data. > > Regards, > > Klaus > > > Dear Fritz, > > it is perfectly fine that you like Windows and that it receives so much > support from hardware vendors. > > But this is a list for Xubuntu. > > Quite possible that there is hardware, like in your case, that does work > on Windows and not on Xubuntu. > Just to be clear about it: > > The hardware support of whatever device in Windows does not come from > Microsoft. > The drivers are developed by the hardware suppliers and, when becoming > popular enough, are bundled into Windows. > > So the first address to complain about lacking hardware support in Xubuntu > (or any non-Windows OS) is the hardware supplier. > > Ask them why they don't care about your needs enough to write drivers for > the OS's you are using. > > Even if the hardware you picked up explicitly states that it works on > Linux and it doesn't, then you still need to complain to the hardware > supplier. > Their responsibility. > Have them write the drivers. > If the quality is any good, the likelihood for the driver being bundled is > high. > > If you do not like how Linux works then why are you using it? > > If you want to work the Windows way, stay with Windows. No better Windows > than Windows. > Or try Apple. > > > Start with checking whether your XYX-thingy explicitly claims to work on > Linux (Linux-distros). > As opposed to you wanting it or demanding for it to work on Linux. > > If it doesn't you may just be out of luck. > > Just because you can plug something into your system doesn't mean it is > prepared to talk to it properly or provide it with the information on how > to wield its features. > > Regards, > > Klaus > > > ------------------------------ > On 14/11/2019 12.02, Fritz Roth wrote: > > > Michele Mor <[email protected]> <[email protected]> hat am 13. > > November 2019 um 11:56 geschrieben: > > > > Hi Fritz, > > for performance you have to take into account that the applications ( not > > the > > OS) have been updated and they probably demand more memory. > > How old is your pc/laptop? > > the main problem with xubuntu is the community " support " > and all the propaganda how low the resources requirement > > " that it will work on any old pc a lot better then windows " > > compared to what windows ? > a linux being in the last century ? > > so the greatest problem being ... > that it apparently does not work with > any usb mobile broad band device > > so being worthless for any one > depending on such an internet connection > > one more problem is the need for this terminal use > I have been using fortran in 1978 with scientific calculators > have worked with a cad computer in 1986 > using coordinate pcb development > > but today we have windows > making things a lot easier ... faster > > but with linux ? > still using scripts for the general user ! > > some thing windows does not require > since window became windows > > I want to concentrate on working ! > not on the computer > > does any one see ? > what I am talking about ? > > > > I have been using Linux (xubuntu and fedora) for home and work for the past > > 5 > > years and they are not a toy ;-) > > and you do not even read what I have been writing ? > just parts of it ? > > > Regards, > > Michele > > > > On Wed, 13 Nov 2019, 10:33 am Fritz Roth, < [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]>> > > wrote: > > > > __ > > . > > > > no ... > > this is not bad luck ! > > but simply a good possibiliy > > > > from my experience > > having tried knoppix > > slax ... Q4OS and now xubuntu > > > > all those are miles away from > > even windows xp etc > > > > being just for some one > > having nothing to do > > > > but playing around > > with his new toy .... > > > > linux being a great idea ! > > but the realization ? > > > > pure frustration .... > > > > > > > > > >> Karel P Coors < [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> <[email protected]>> hat am 12. > >> November 2019 um 21:09 geschrieben: > >> > >> Here a disappointing experience: upgraded to 18.04 last weekend. Felt > >> pleasant. > >> Today hiccups with video streaming, slow Firefox and Thunderbird. > >> The inevitable warning about an error. > >> Would not shut down. > >> Unplugged. > >> Restarted. Password not recognized. > >> > >> Reinstalling 16.04 > >> > >> Is this just bad luck? > >> > >> Best regards > >> -- > >> xubuntu-users mailing list > >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > >> <[email protected]> > >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users > > > > -- > > xubuntu-users mailing list > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <[email protected]> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users > > > > -- > > xubuntu-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users > > > -- > xubuntu-users mailing list > [email protected] > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users > -- Karel P Coors Mobile +593 999 462 168
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