Some good points. I think the reason that this topic comes up a lot is the fact that 
there are a couple of situations that wind up being fuzzy. The Browser example you 
gave is a good one because it demonstrates the semantics of the problem being 
addressed. It could flip either way depending on how you word it. Having said that, 
the real acid test is the "derived works" as well as whether you bundle it tightly 
with the GPL'ed code or if you make your app (Browser) use this library simply as a 
plugin that can be included if the user goes and looks for it elsewhere at a later 
download time which of course could also be replaced by any other plugin that offers 
similar or same features.

The other licensing topic that is becoming more and more of an issue in XML is the 
question "is it an interpreter or is it a library?". With some of the libraries for 
XUL's/XUI's it's becoming more difficult to answer this question definitively. This is 
going to probably cause much more debate in the XML world as time goes on.

Arron


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Kevin Sangeelee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: 04/12/2004 01:32AM
Subject: RE: [xul-talk] Because victory wasn't achievable to begin with

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Arron Ferguson wrote:

> Please read this:
>
> http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfLibraryIsGPL

Again, I feel I should clarify this misunderstanding. The GPL applies if
you derive new works from an existing GPL'd application. If you had a XUL
motor *library* that you linked with, say, a new browser you've written,
then you would have to include that browser under the GPL in order to
comply with the licensing terms. This would be equally true if you had
embedded the library source code into your application.

If, on the other hand, you wrote a browser using someone's GPL'd XUL
motor, and released that, you might distribute the XUL motor under the
terms of the GPL, but, at the same time, distribute your browser under
non-disclosure, non-sharing, single installation licensing terms.

In this instance, the FAQ is saying that the GPL is basically protecting
your library software from being ripped off. Say you wrote an ogg vorbis
or mp3 decoder library, and someone took it and linked it with a simple
GUI and distributed it under a closed source proprietary license, you
might feel a bit cheated, since nobody benefits from the enhancements to
your hard work except the proprietary software vendor. Or maybe you
wouldn't, in which case you might instead release it under a different
license.

Kevin


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -----
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: Charles Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: 04/11/2004 05:12PM
> Subject: RE: [xul-talk] Because victory wasn't achievable to begin with
>
> On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 19:59 -0400, Marc Clifton wrote:
> > Sigh.
> >
> > >From the GPL:
> >
> > " 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it
>
> At what part of that does it apply to developing an XUL application on
> top of an XUL motor? An XUL application is not work based on an XUL
> motor, but work using an XUL motor. If you read the small print you'll
> see there is a difference.
>
> The GPL license of an XUL motor implies nothing to the license of the
> XUL application in the same way that just because you write an
> application that runs on Linux you do not have to GPL said application.
>
> Wake up. You're in a land of noo naa. Emailing in your sleep.
>
> > And frankly, I consider myself a lot more intelligent than most lawyers
>
> You may be intelligent but you do not understand the GPL.
>
> But, hey, you think I'm a moron. Fine... email RMS stating your legal
> opinion on how the GPL affects applications. He'll personally set you
> straight on the matter.
> --
> - Charlie
>
> Charles Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Online @ www.charlietech.com
>
>
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