[YCLSA Discussion] Is it worth it to allow splinter party?

[kagiso nkhoma]

Comrade Mduduzi..   Mchana! i have to say, your imput it's what we call progressive introspection, because as the ANC we cannot leave any part of the society unattended because it might cause a damage, we need to regroup and unite within the organisation and as a nation.   We can be positive to emerge massively during 2009 elections, but with the existance of a new breakaway party,it will be a bit complex, though i'd like to reiterate the fact the indeed the conditions in which previous splinter party from the ANC took place in the past were totally different from now.  We need to work very harder than before!   During PAC breakaway by Robert Sobukwe,   conditions were as follow;   Year: 1959 Reason for breakway: number of members broke away from the African National Congress  because they objected to the ANC's non-racial policies and wished to take a bolder approach based more on mass action. Who broke away: Robert Sobukwe and other members, not merely the most influencial people or visionary leaders, thats why they were they are today. Democratic state?: not at all!, South Africa by then was in the process fighting for freedom and democracy. "democratic rights term was not written in the dictionaries of the white people" Who was the President of the ANC: Chief Albert Luthuli   South Africa's Political Condition: It was during apartheid era, people of South Africa especially blacks by then all they wanted was unity amongst black people in order to fight the enemy " apartheid". ANC was united and there were no individual Camps for leadership within the ANC that surfaced through the ANC structures. Economically: majority of our people were indeed poor and most of them uneducated due to restrictions to education by white led government by then, it was not easy for any splinter party to convince the general people otherways because every one had one vision. Targeted Market / People to rally support from: It was only from Black people  Unity amongst Africans: It was one of the most viable things that brought were we are today, so even our african brothers and sisters knew that ANC was the only organisation to liberate Africa, that is ANC had Camps in other African Countries, there were no things such as Xenophobia, African citizen had one view about SA, but now we even find our black african brothers decampaigning SA in Europe.   Breakaway of UDM by Bantu Holomisa   Year: 1997 Reason for breakway: Bantu Holomisa who was expelled from the ANC after accusing a top party official of corruption, therefore "misconduct" Who broke away: Bantu Holomisa, and few, not prominent leaders and was joined by National Party leader Roelf Meyer, who was view as a reactionary by blacks. The party had a base in one province. Democratic state?: Yes!, three years after 1994, South Africa by then was for the first time felt free or experienced democracy and it was still very very young.  Who was the President of the ANC: Thabo Mbeki South Africa's Polictical Condition: It's just after we won 1994 first national democratic elections, people of South Africa especially blacks by then were very reluctant to change to another party, the acts of racism were still much strong and visible. The ANC was united and  there were no individual Camps for leadership within the ANC that surfaced through the ANC structures Economically: The economy was not yet stable, but progressing to stablitiy and majority of our people were starting to go tertiary institutions,schools to acquire education, people started to obtain high profile positions in the companies and black  entrepreneurs started to emerge strongly. it was not easy for any splinter party to convince the general people otherways because every one had one vision. Targeted Market / People to rally support from: It was mostly  from Black people and hence Roelf Meyer was there to rally white support. Unity amongst Africans: it was still strong..   New party breakaway so called " 1912 ANC"   Year: 2008 Reason for breakway: number of members are with the view that our  leadership has veered the organisation away from the established policy priorities and customary democratic norms of the ANC. And also recalling of Thabo Mbeki being a major factor. Hence we believe our leadership took the decision in healing and uniting the ANC Who might brake away: Terror Lekota, Mbasima Shilowa, George Mluleki, Esop pahad, Thabo Mbeki?, resigned ministers, Willie Madisha? recalled premiers, recalled counsilors, expelled leaders on the ground level, anti - Malema and Jacob Zuma members,those who lost in polokwane and Mangaung April 2008 YL congress,NUMSA? Democratic state?:  yes!, South Africa by now got democracy on thier hands, people are settling that there will be no more apartheid with  " forward ever backward never" state of mind. now every individual has vested Human rights that is protected by our constitution. any political party now it got all racial dinominations within.  Who was the President of the ANC: Thabo Mbeki then Kgalema Motlanthe South Africa's Political Condition: Every one in the country has the freedom of choice, no longer oppressed and  Apartheid is won. ANC currently is not united from National level to Branch level and there are individual Camps for leadership within the ANC that surfaced through the ANC structures. with other members with the view that ANC lost the plot.   Economically: Most of people in urban areas are living a better life, whiles majority of people in rural ereas are still struggling, but better than before, now with access to essential needs and services, education. Generally with the Commitment of the ANC to better lifes of our people, now majority of our people are now stable and most of them educated due to ANC led government policies, even though some feel that new leadership of the country is needed. South African economy is doing better than the rest or most of African countries. is it easy for a splinter party to convince the general people otherways ?. Targeted Market / People to rally support from: all South African people, black, white, coloured and indian Unity amongst Africans: Currently some parts of Africa are not happy in the manner our country treats other african brothers and sisters. Xenophobia, being one tempering situation, African citizen had one view about SA, but now we even find our black african brothers decampaigning SA in Europe. and members of africa who gained citizendhip not happy too. Comrades indeed we need to ensure that such breakway party does not come to existance, through internal dialogues, discussions with the sense of finding each other as comrades. Because if we will continue to ignore and leave disgruntled members unattended, it will never help the organisation but rather destroy our beloved ANC. Some of us become very jealous if such tendencies persists within our ANC that our fore-fathers shed blood for.   Thats my view..... i stand to be guided and corrected!   I CALL FOR UNITY........!   MATLA!   Cde. Kagiso Nkhoma --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Mduduzi H Vilakazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Mduduzi H Vilakazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: WHY ANC DELAYS TO DISCIPLINING AND ACTING AGAINST LEKOTA To: yclsa-eom-forum@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 9:45 AM The current situation is far too different from yester year.   I am going to be a member of the ANC until my casket goes down, however I acknowledge the damage that this pseudo-defenders of democracy can cause to the all powerful ANC. When others left the organization, there was no state power, less opportunists and material benefits were not as is today. It is therefore simple for anyone (including the hot blooded members of the ANC) to venture into new things that might promise material gains. Even if not sustainable, it has the capacity to reduce votes for the ANC in the contemporary.   The number of aggrieved members in Western Cape, North West and Free State (including Terror)  and other parts of the country's citizenry cannot be ignored, the sacking and suspension of councillors and mayors in Mpumalanga, Eastern Cape and other  provinces cannot be ignore, the number of aggrieve general masses who have not find work since 1994 cannot be ignored, the number of poverty stricken areas and families since ANC took over cannot be ignored. This situation dictates that the country has more vulnerable people who can venture into anything that can revive their hopes in life.   I think that our responsibility is to counter any act by this pseudo-defenders of democracy. We need to decampaign Cde Terror and them. We should collectively speak one voice: Unity in moving forward. Leaving Terror and others to start a political party will not help the ANC. Our calls to axe Terror might not be good for now but corrective measures should be taken to ensure non-continuity of the establishment of the "new" party. We need more than two third majority which could seem impossible if we allow the hot-blooded members of the ANC to part ways with the ANC.   A hands on deliberation and bilateral negotiation with the hot blooded is correct. I also support the ANC to utilize TM for the elections campaign. In any case, every member should be campaigning for the organization. It might calm the anger and change the attitude of many. Most are not fighting the ANC but sympathize with TM, a reality we cannot ignore. These will as well be a signal that TM is a loyal member of the ANC and will continue to serve the organization he dearly worked for and love.   Lastly, I think that the spokesperson of the ANC should be in charge of media and other communications. The secretary General should be seen as a person who welcomes everyone. Exposing him to media where he is seen differing with other members of the ANC is not (in my opinion) good for the unifying office he occupies. However, he should communicate to the public issues that seek to defend the integrity and constitution of the ANC.    Phantsi with the "New" party Phantsi!! This message and any attachments relating to official business of the Mpumalanga Provincial Government (MPG) is proprietary to the MPG and intended for the original addressee only. The message may contain information that is confidential and subject to legal privilege. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender. If you receive this message in error, please notify the original sender immediately and destroy the original message. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy, use, distribute, or take any action in connection therewith. 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