What is even more damning is Mohau's shallow knee-jerk response that fails to deal with the pertinent issues that the letter raises as challenges for the ANC.
Mohua' pseudo-intellectual work is shallow and narrow in that it fails to engage or challenge TM on the substantive issues that he raises in his letter. In case everyone missed them. They have bullet point next to them. Also he raises an issue about the failure to interrogate his swansong report that he gave in Polokwane. I think it is high time that we engage the debates people adduce instead of checking where those debates come from. So despite the fact the Mbeki says he is not with Shikota in the letter, some comrades/conspiracy theorists among us refuse to believe that. Even when he makes it clear that he "does not want to rule from the grave". It was ill-disciplined members of the ANC that made the contents of the letter public Mr Mohau & no amount of spin can undo that. Lastly, don't shikota where you eat! Honesty is key comrades. Indeed, there is nothing, in that letter > suggesting > that comrade Thabo Mbeki is part of SHIKOTA. We might have had differences > with comrade Mbeki but he remains a comrade – unwarranted attacks on his > person are not helping anyone, in fact, they generate confusion. One might > get an impression that our politics are limited to name calling and > reducing > political matters to a circus of between the line readers! > > > > That is just enough to make me vomit on my key board! > > > > On 10/31/08, Steve Mamphekgo. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Mr Msimela, we are not in the business of producing evidence as if we >> are in the court of law. Our political analysis of the situation, and >> contents of TM's love letter tell us that he is indeed part of the >> shikotas. The response by his office to the statement made by JZ on >> Wednesday insinuated that Cde JZ was not telling the truth. In fact they >> were disputing the fact that TM distanced himself from the shikotas. >> Their insistence that the letter be published because of the nature of >> the "selective disclosure by the ANC" proves that they feel TM was >> misquoted by JZ. The letter tries to hide the answer in between the >> lines, and leaves everything to the interpretation of the reader. They >> however realized that the ANC's interpretation of the contents of the >> letter would work against the shikotas, and they are subtly trying to >> correct that. I don't think we should waist our time with TM's tactics, >> because it is just a waist of our precious time. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:27 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: An Open response to the letter by Thabo >> Mbeki >> >> >> As usual Kaizer Mohau & co are being obscurest. >> >> Where is the evidence that TM is with the Shikota movement? He makes it >> clear in his letter that he is not. Go & re-read the letter Mr Mohau >> before you deliberately obfuscate matters. >> >> How the letter ended up on Shikota's hands. He got a copy coz he was >> mentioned in it so it is common courtesy. >> >> It was Mantashe & Zuma who made the contents of the letter public Mr >> Mohau >> not Mbeki as you would want us to believe. >> >> >> >> > AN OPEN RESPONSE TO THE LETTER FROM THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE >> > COUNTRY AND THE ANC, Thabo Mbeki. >> > >> > >> > By: Kaizer Mohau >> > >> > >> > It has come not as a shock to us that a letter written to the >> > President of the African National Congress (ANC) by the former >> > President of both the ANC and the Republic, Thabo Mbeki made it to the >> > media and the public in a manner that is completely unsatisfactory to >> > some of us. >> > >> > According to the author the letter was addressed to the President of >> > the organisation thus the ANC correctly refused to publicise it. The >> > ANC certainly took this decision on the basis that it was not meant or >> > it was led to believe that its contents were not meant for public >> > consumption - nevertheless, the letter is today published in an >> > unedited version to some newspapers. >> > >> > The question that I think needs to be posed is how did this letter >> > reach news desks of some journalists? >> > >> > >> > Firstly, the media reported immediately after Cde Gwede Mantashe >> > mentioned the letter when was addressing a meeting in Pretoria. >> > According to the media, Cde Gwede misled the public in terms of this >> > letter by selectively quoting some passages of the letter. >> > >> > Terror Lekota, in an obviously opportunistic manner addressed the >> > media in which he equally mentioned the issue of the misleading of the >> > public by the ANC - subsequent to that, we were informed that Thabo >> > Mbeki the author of the letter forwarded the same letter to Terror >> > Lekota, who is no longer a leader of the ANC - in fact he has become >> > the enemy of the ANC since the recalling of the Author of the letter. >> > >> > Now since then it has become very clear that Lekota is no longer >> > interested in the ANC but its demise and he is out rightly working >> > towards this objective. >> > >> > The letter itself contains very poisonous statements aimed in my own >> > view to deepen the current political and organisational instability >> > the likes of Lekota want to cause within the ANC. >> > >> > For me the letter is completely not helping in ensuring the unity and >> > cohesion of the movement despite the pretentious mentioning of this >> > unity and cohesion by the author. >> > >> > The author in this letter sends a goodbye message masquerading as >> > concern over the state of the ANC currently. In a subtle manner the >> > author raises the very issues that Lekota and his best men and women >> > have been making noise about. >> > >> > Thabo Mbeki, starts by raising as a concern the statements made by the >> > President of the African National Congress Youth League (ANCYL) Cde >> > Julius Malema and the ANC President Jacob Zuma to the fact that he is >> > expected to campaign and do election work for the ANC as a cadre of >> > this organisation. >> > >> > During his media address after he was recalled as a President of the >> > Republic, Thabo Mbeki informed the nation that he remains a loyal and >> > committed cadre of the ANC - perhaps it is on this basis that both the >> > President of the ANC and of the Youth had in mind when indicating that >> > Thabo Mbeki will be expected as a cadre of the organisation like all >> > other cadres to participate in the ANC election work. >> > >> > To argue that he should have been consulted before a public >> > pronouncement is made - clearly indicates how other Comrades think >> > that they are better than others. >> > >> > Leaders of the ANC did not speak only about Thabo Mbeki - in fact the >> > President of the ANC began by saying that all cadres should avail >> > themselves for election work, the journalist asked specifically about >> > Thabo Mbeki, a question the President of the ANC Cde Jacob Zuma >> > answered that as a cadre of the ANC Thabo Mbeki is to do election work >> > for his organisation. >> > >> > It will not be right if individual members of the ANC will expect that >> > they should be sent personal request to do organisational work. >> > >> > Whether the timing of this public announcement came during Lakota's >> > crusade against the ANC is immaterial, Lekota attacks the ANC and ANC >> > cadres must not only distance themselves from Lekota but equally they >> > should repudiate him for his misconduct. >> > >> > The "personality cult" phenomenon >> > >> > Thabo Mbeki in a manner typical of an angry individual dictator - >> > makes the point that some Comrades in the movement attaches this >> > phenomenon to him - that he has developed a scenario where in which he >> > is worshiped as an individual thus the mentioning of the personality >> > cult question. >> > >> > But Thabo Mbeki sides steppes the fact that some ministers and deputy >> > ministers resigned from government siding his recalling as a reason >> > for their resignation. Meaning that without the personality of Thabo >> > Mbeki - the ANC can go to the nearest dustbin of history. >> > >> > Surely, if sincere enough Thabo Mbeki must start by rejecting these >> > political criminals - and their factional tendencies. Because his >> > failure to distance himself from them - reality is bound to let us >> > conclude that indeed this phenomenon of personality cult is what has >> > characterised the ANC leadership under his Presidency. >> > >> > Thabo Mbeki must not try to fool us - because we know that people who >> > did not agree with him including our Alliance partners were always >> > insulted publicly others removed from their positions of >> > responsibility in government - is this not to surround yourself with >> > people who agrees with you always and uncritically? - If the answer is >> > yes, then what do you call this? Because this Cde Thabo is the >> > phenomenon of "personality cult". >> > >> > >> > Some of us find it very interesting your ability to quote leaders and >> > mention them by names - however, this is very scary. >> > >> > Indeed the leaders you mention in your letter would not have approved >> > the presence of foreign tendencies your presidency has brought inside >> > our movement. >> > >> > Perhaps, you only lie about them because they are no more and >> > therefore they will not answer for themselves and make their own >> > determination on the matter- which I think would have not been >> > different from the determination we have made - that you are a menace >> > or rather your leadership is a menace to the consolidation and >> > advancement of the National Democratic Revolution. >> > >> > The principled decision taken by the ANC as far as you are concern >> > would have received large support from those leaders - I wonder why is >> > it that you became so selective in mentioning Comrades - your >> > deliberate deleting of Chris Hani's name in your list of cadres you >> > worked with raises serious concern, especially considering that Cde >> > Chris disagreed with you on a number of issues - including the fact >> > that your view of the ANC has always been of a Europeanised African >> > Dictator in making. >> > >> > >> > The Letter >> > >> > One is curious to know why did you sent the letter addressed to the >> > President of the African National Congress to Terror Lekota, conscious >> > of the fact that Lekota and his Co. are about to establish a political >> > Party opposed to the ANC which you claim to be loyal and committed to? >> > >> > There is no doubt in my mind whatsoever, that indeed you leaked the >> > letter to Lekota because you thought it as a correct strategy to >> > undermine the ANC while profiling the convention of political >> > criminals at the same time. >> > >> > It was correct for the ANC to divulge aspects of the letter which are >> > aimed at making sure that you are not exposed too much and your >> > commitment and loyalty to the ANC which you served for so many decades >> > is intact and not compromised. >> > >> > To send the letter to Lekota is very suspicious - because one would >> > love to know as to on what capacity Lekota deserved to receive the >> > copy of that letter. >> > - Why if not satisfied with how the letter is handled, didn't you >> > contact the ANC and raise this matter with the leadership >> > - Why do you want to refuse to participate in the ANC Election >> work >> > - Why do you compare the ANC to a non existent Party >> > - How come you make the inference and insinuation that the ANC is >> a >> > faction? >> > >> > >> > For history will never be kind to the dishonest and counter >> > Revolutionaries - FAREWELL THABO MBEKI! >> > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm >> >> >> >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> >> This message may contain confidential information and is intended only >> for >> the individual named. 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