I am surprised to read how subjectively some of our comrades are reasoning in defense of an individual called TM. To me such debates onlly serves as a diversion of our real attention as Socialists.For example we should be keeping ourselves busy trying hard to analyze the international balance of forces now that capitalism is busy EATING itself up.We should be looking for answers as to why our Socialist Movements Internationally is not beginning to infitrate and utilize that democratic space to build further momentum for a Socialist order worldwide.We should begin to seize the space that is beginning to open up otherwise we will become too utopian on this forum cdes.Can we begin to apply scientific thought and come up with proper assesment in order to link us up with the International Movement.Lastly I still wonder what is TM doing in SADC and the Zimbabwe situation if he refuses to do election work.As a committed cadre why is he accepting deployment to Zim but no other deployment.It is my believe that whatever he negotiates in Zim is not outside the mandate of the NEC of Polokwane whom he has regoqnition problems with.Or is that his private negotiation based on Liberation Movement Solidarity which only him and Mugabe understands.Why is he accaepting deployment SELECTIVELY.My conclusion on his bitterness comrades is that I think he wanted to win the famous NOBEL PEACE price before he retires in order to be equal to Madida,hence he was there to congratulate the Springboks victory in the world cup.These also happened during his time would be his claim.Thus the only prize evading the poor soul was this NOBEL PRIZE for PEACE IN AFRICA in order to crown his legacy.But sorry the class overthrowing Polokwane delegates has changed the dictatorship of the elite with the dictatorship of the workers and the poor.
Socialism in my lifetime Cadre.Gregory Brown Joe Gqabi District Eastern Cape Dominic Tweedie wrote: > > *VC says: No more "Illuminati" messages here, please.* > > * * > > *For "Illuminati"-type discussions, there are a million other places > in cyberspace.* > > * * > > *Therefore if you are that way inclined, thank you, but please go > elsewhere for your "Illuminati" discussions.* > > * * > > * * > > *Domza.* > > * * > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ranney Segage > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: WIVL; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] The Illuminati always win the 'Election' > > > > > > NB: This email and its contents are subject to the Eskom Holdings > Limited EMAIL LEGAL NOTICE > > > > which can be viewed at http://www.eskom.co.za/email_legalnotice > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > The Illuminati always win the 'Election' > > > > By Michael Shore > > > > > > > > > > > > The U.S. Presidential election was rigged even before the first ballot > was cast.The whole voting system is rigged by the Illuminati to keep > their control of the People in so-called "democratic" societies. > > > > > > > > Almost every person in a so-called "democratic" society thinks that > so-called elections are REAL.You either vote Republican or Democrat in > a two party system, which is NOT what true democracy is all about. If > your father or mother was s Democrat or a Republican, that's who you > probably voted for. They taught you in school about so-called > "democracy" and about George Washington and all other Presidents never > telling lies...yeah, right, sure. They taught you about every war that > was ever fought and how proud you should be because America won. Early > on children are taught that war and the killing of millions of human > beings in wars is "normal" acceptable human behavior and not the acts > of sick insane killer MAD MEN. Dropping not one but two atomic bombs > on Japan and killing and maiming hundreds of thousands of innocent > men, women and children was NOT considered a major war crime and > neither President Truman nor anyone else went to jail for committing > what could be considered the greatest, most atrocious war crime in > history. It is now known and reported that the Japanese were ready to > surrender BEFORE the bombs were dropped. They don't teach you in > school that America is the most warring Nation on the planet and that > the Illuminati manipulated U.S.A. has been responsible for the deaths > of over 60,000,000 human beings in 55 wars or U.S. supported conflicts > all over the world in the last 65 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT THEY DON'T TEACH IN SCHOOL IS THE > EXISTENCE A CRIMINAL SUPER SECRET GROUP CALLED THE ILLUMINATI - WHO > ARE OUT TO CONTROL THE WORLD.. > > > > > > > > Rather than go into the details of who and what the Illuminati are, > you can just put Illuminati in www.google.com and take the time to > read for your self how this small secret group has set up a worldwide > web of secret societies whose goal it is to pursue their quest for a > One World Government, organized as a global fascist police State, > ruled by a so-called "elitist" dictatorship! You can also get a > detailed historical story of who the Illuminati are in David Icke's > book "The Biggest Secret".The Illuminati intentionally and covertly > control the publishing companies that write the history books that are > used in American schools and other schools throughout the world, so > they can write whatever history they want the people to believe in > order for them to easily move forward and achieve their agenda. > > > > > > > > They have also put together a group of about ten huge multi-national > media conglomerates that control EVERY major T.V. and radio station, > newspaper, magazine, movie and music company and book publisher. So > the only "truth" that you get is the "truth" that the Illuminati want > you to believe.This is the main way that the Illuminati suppress the > real TRUTH about 911, the war in Iraq, the unconstitutional income > tax, the independent banking cartel called the Federal Reserve that > controls all the money in the U.S.A. etc. They want the American > people to believe that they live in a democracy and that their > elections are "real" and "free" and not manipulated or corrupted. > Nothing could be further from the TRUTH. > > > > > > > > The American elections are a "staged" Illuminati event to give the > American people the belief that a "real" democratic event is happening > and that no matter who wins, it is your "patriotic" duty to wave a > red, white and blue flag and "blindly" follow that leader and do > whatever he says, including killing innocent men, women and children > in unnecessary "wars for Illuminati profits" In order for the > Illuminati to get their American "SLAVES" to do their bidding, an > intensive daily dose of brainwashing and mind control is in constant > play. The Illuminati mind control starts in kindergarten and continues > throughout your school years and into your adult life until the day > you die. > > > > > > > > The Illuminati through their web of foundations and Fortune 500 > corporations continue never-ending research on better and better ways > of brainwashing and mind control in order to control the over six > billion human beings in this world, so they can't see the TRUTH about > the Illuminati manipulation that is going on right before their very > eyes. As pointed out in David Ickes book "The Biggest Secret", it has > taken this "amazing" organization hundreds and possibly thousands of > years to put together their world wide "brotherhood", whose sinister > sick, perverted goal is to control humanity according to their point > of view and beliefs without the "slaves" realizing that they're being > controlled. Guess what? It appears to be working and the Illuminati > are into their final stage of "total world domination", which is > called their "Great Work of Ages". > > > > > > > > Briefly speaking, the Illuminati control both the Republican and > Democratic parties, so no matter which candidate wins the Illuminati > RULE and continue their agenda of total control of America and total > world domination. It is always interesting to see that after an > election is over, that some people begin to THINK that the elections > are rigged. A few people are saying that Kerry and Bush were Scull and > Bones fraternity brothers and Kerry threw the election from the start. > Well of course he did. That's what the Illuminati planned probably > years ago, and Kerry and Bush, two Illuminati "puppets", were told > exactly what to say and do. It's amazing how these two guys could keep > a straight face and not laugh in public as they were "acting" out this > whole election charade. > > > > > > > > Every U.S. Presidential election is "fixed" by the Illuminati for > their benefit. People were surprised how close this election and the > Bush/Gore election were, but many Presidential elections are close. It > looks "good" and "real" to the People, who believe in so-called > "democracy". Just take a look at the Nixon/Kennedy election or the > Truman/ Dewey election. Do you remember some years ago when People's > votes could be "bought" for only a dollar? > > > > > > > > Mayor Daley gave Kennedy Cook County and Illinois > > > > http://www.adversity.net/florida/Frame_Fla_Stories/Kennedy_Daley_1960.htm > > > > > > > > Dewey did not do what he could've done to "win" the election over Truman > > > > http://www.kentuckypress.com/viewbook.cfm?Category_ID=1&Group=17&ID=777 > > > > > > > > The main thing to ask in any election is "who is counting the votes > and how can it be verified that the count is accurate?" Pretty much if > an organized group of people have the money, power and intent, they > can "rig" almost any election. It all happens so fast. Most elections > are over in a 24 hour period. The people manning the voting booths are > not properly trained. Things are pretty loose at voting places. As > reported some votes disappear, some votes are "accidentally"thrown in > the trash, some people are prevented from voting and have no time to > challenge this etc.etc.etc. > > > > > > > > The corruption in 2004 was so blatant and could be seen by the way the > election ended. Here was Kerry conceding the election BEFORE all the > votes were counted in Ohio.The election "looked" very close, but the > Kerry team never called for any recounts in any State. Kerry and his > campaign team either had to be deaf, dumb and blind to not know that > the electronic voting machines were NOT secure and trustworthy and > left no paper trail of individual votes, and that the votes could not > be properly audited. Votes could be changed with the click of a mouse. > The four companies that made the electronic voting machines just > happened to be linked to the Republican party. One executive of one of > the voting machine companies made a statement committing himself to > deliver votes to Bush. Yet Kerry and the Democrats never went to court > BEFORE the election to challenge this potential criminal fraud from > happening. > > > > > > > > Come on folks! How much more crap do the Illuminati have to throw in > the People's faces before they see the Illuminati manipulation? > Americans stood in long lines to vote, when all along the Illuminati > had already CHOSEN Bush to continue to lead the American people on the > path to death and destruction of Planet Earth. Bush et al will lie, > cheat, steal, rape, torture, kill, which is the modus operandi and > mantra of the sick EVIL satanic Illuminati. The Bush family have > proved to be the non-compassionate killers of human beings that the > Illuminati have chosen to do their EVIL dirty deeds on the way to > their quest for total world domination. > > > > > > > > Basically since there are only TWO possible choices in a so-called > U.S."democratic" election and since the Illuminati with their untold > wealth CONTROL BOTH the Democrat and Republican parties, it really > doesn't matter who wins the election THE ILLUMINATI RULE!!! So if the > Illuminati have the money and the power to "rig" every election, why > would they go through so much trouble to get their CHOSEN CANDIDATE > elected, since it doesn't matter which candidate wins for the > Illuminati to keep their power? Why don't we ask them? > > > > > > > > Probably one of the most important things the People can do is to > bring the Illuminati out of the shadows and into the main spotlight, > so humanity can have a chance to expose this sinister evil group and > stop them from carrying out their sick killing agenda. We can have a > serious live televised citizen's investigation of the election > "process" and expose how the election is a rigged Illuminati staged > event. The Illuminati and all their connected secret organizations > could once and for all be SEEN by the People and everyone could learn > about their sick insane perverted trip..Then after they are EXPOSED on > live world wide T.V. for who they are, the People can rid themselves > of the Illuminati "rule" and we can possibly get some new kinder, > gentler uncorrupted leaders, who have compassion for human life and > who really do work for the benefit of humanity. Hopefully then WE can > live in Peace! > > > > > > > > WHAT DO YOU THINK FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS? SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN? > > > > > > > > If the Illuminati are not exposed and stopped ASAP, they will > unfortunately be able to continue with their insane agenda to possibly > kill BILLIONS of human beings with WMD on Planet Earth. It's in every > human being's best interest to take the time to research this > information so we can ALL organize ourselves against the EVIL > Illuminati menace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ranney Jomo Segage > > > > Credit and Revenue Management > > > > Tel : 013 6934158 > > > > Fax : 013 6934186 > > > > Pax : 82214158 > > > > Cell : 0824710085 > > > > > > > > The denial of social contradictions leads to the denial of dialectics > as a logical theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. 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