Thank you! On 1/12/09, Phumlani Dlamini <[email protected]> wrote: > Thamsanqa > > Please find attached the SCA judgement as per your request. > > Phumlani > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thamsanqa Tu > Sent: 12 January 2009 03:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Does any one have the SCA judgment? > > > On 1/12/09, sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]> wrote: >> I have read and find it hard that acommunist claims to have been >> revolutionary yet displayed a neo liberal count to a clear laboration > of the >> parties manufesto, now time for interlatual display is over I defore >> chalange Cader Alex to a debate around the issue of the parties > position and >> its role with its leadership. >> >> your responce will be highly respected please name the place and time > where >> we can discuss with some of our caders the manshavinisation of the > party... >> >> to reach me you can call me on 0742342521. >> >> This revolution needs to be defended to on. >> >> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Cakwebe, Ronnie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Cakwebe, Ronnie <[email protected]> >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Fw: The Menshevisation Of The Party >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 10:27 PM >> >> >> >> In Xhosa we say"USIPHOXILE SITHEMBEWENA" sithembe bani ngoku? >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex M. Mashilo >> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:16 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Fw: The Menshevisation Of The Party >> >> >> >> >> Sithembewena is committing serious errors in his assertions. > Let me >> take but a few. >> >> >> Error number one: The matter that let to suspensions was contained in > the >> organisational report to the Augmented Central Committee based on > political >> developments in South Africa. Neither I nor anyone brought it into the >> Augmented Central Committee from utopia. >> >> Error number two: Sithembewena moves from an incorrect premise and >> inevitably arrives at a false conclusion. Did he establish if any >> correspondences regarding the matter were send to the PWC or the PEC > or the >> PB? Should he have done so he would be speaking from facts, not >> speculation. The idea that the Central Committee does not have > authority to >> deal with any matters affecting the Party is wrong in the extreme. To > the >> contrary, the Central Committee is the highest authority of the Party > in >> between congresses and has the authority to deal with any matters. I >> respect the decisions and processes of the Central Committee and will > not >> commend further on the suspensions. I'm certain these matters will be >> concluded. I don't want to debate the comrades who have been > suspended. I >> work with some of them, and appeal to Sithembewena to stop discussing > them >> in this forum as this could ultimately produce unintended consequences >> against >> their integrity because other people could debate them. I'm certain > that >> they remain innocent, unless proven guilty after a credible Central >> Committee process as defined by the Augmented Central Committee. >> >> >> Error number three: Sithembewena agrees with the quote I made from the > 1848 >> Manifesto of the Communist Party but he proceeds to add his > distortions. >> Nowhere did I propose, either implicitly or explicitly, that the > Communist >> Party must adopt a pro-imperialist agenda. He must produce > compelling >> evidence where he got this. >> >> Error number four: It does not help to choose to misunderstand. There > is >> nothing fictionalisation by the Party of Moses Kotane. After all, > Moses >> Kotane belonged to the CPSA and was active in the underground > reconstitution >> of the Party as the SACP, served as the Party general secretary and > was >> correct in insisting that the application of Marxism-Leninism must >> be grounded in the specific conditions of South Africa rather than the >> fantasization of European revolutions without action here in South > Africa. >> >> Error number five: It is not true that Karl Marx is the only one who >> "understands" (it should actually be who understood) Marxism better > than >> Marx himself. In fact, Karl Marx or Marx himself (actually this is one >> person that Sithembewena divides into two) never called the > revolutionary >> theory and practice Marxism. It was his truest friend and closest >> collaborator, Engels who did that. In fact Marx and Engels state in > Section >> II of the Manifesto of the Communist Party, and I quote, that : >> >> "on the other hand, theoretically, they [the communists] have over the > great >> mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the > lines of >> march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the > proletarian >> movement". >> >> That Marx (Karl Marx) is the only one who understands Marxism has > been >> generated by Sithembewena. That it is well known that Lenin is the > one who >> understood Marxism after Marx and that he gave it a clear > interpretation has >> never been true, and will never be notwithstanding Lenin's role in the >> working class struggle. Actually, Engels completed a significant > number of >> Marx's works for which Marx himself could not do given a variety of > factors >> including his death. But over and above this, there are so many > Marxists who >> translated Marxism into their revolutions under their specific > national >> conditions. >> >> Error number six: Sithembewena brings in a different matter altogether > and >> in this he accuses me of being counter-revolutionary by having > confidence in >> parliament and blah blah blah. He says he's a member of the SACP in > Gauteng >> Province. Despite my case for a reconfigured alliance electoral > approach, >> which is ultimately the Party position, Sithembewena should know that > it was >> under the name of SACP Gauteng Province that a position for the Party > to go >> it alone was pushed though could not eventually make it in the Party's > 12th >> Congress and eventually the 2008 National Policy Conference. >> >> Prescription: I'm hereby prescribing Vladimir Lenin's Left-Wing > Communism: >> an Infantile Disorder, for Sithembewena. By the way s/he says of > him/herself >> that s/he is a Bolshevik. This prescribed reading will help him/her >> understand the Bolsheviks since 1903 when Bolshevism arose and the > lessons >> the Bolshevik Party had learned from its involvement in three > revolutions in >> 12 years. In this reading in the Section that Lenin deals with An > Essential >> Condition of the Bolsheviks' Success the very first paragraph reads as >> follows, and I quote directly: >> >> " It is, I think, almost universally realised at present that the >> Bolsheviks could not have retained power for two and a half months, > let >> alone two and a half years, without the most rigorous and truly iron >> discipline in our Party, or without the fullest and unreserved support > from >> the entire mass of the working class, that is, from all thinking, > honest, >> devoted and influential elements in it, capable of leading the > backward >> strata or carrying the latter along with them.". >> >> In the same reading in the Section where Lenin deals with the question >> whether Should we [Communists] Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments > the >> following clarity is available, and I'll again quote directly, but > this time >> at length: >> >> >> "Third, the "Left" Communists have a great deal to say in praise of us >> Bolsheviks. One sometimes feels like telling them to praise us less > and to >> try to get a better knowledge of the Bolsheviks' tactics. We took part > in >> the elections to the Constituent Assembly, the Russian bourgeois > parliament >> in September-November 1917. Were our tactics correct or not? If not, > then >> this should be clearly stated and proved, for it is necessary in > evolving >> the correct tactics for international communism. If they were correct, > then >> certain conclusions must be drawn. Of course, there can be no question > of >> placing conditions in Russia on a par with conditions in Western > Europe. But >> as regards the particular question of the meaning of the concept that >> "parliamentarianism has become politically obsolete", due account > should be >> taken of our experience, for unless concrete experience is taken into >> account such concepts very easily turn into empty phrases. In >> September-November 1917, did we, the Russian Bolsheviks, not have > more >> right than any Western Communists to consider that parliamentarianism > was >> politically obsolete in Russia? Of course we did, for the point is not >> whether bourgeois parliaments have existed for a long time or a short > time, >> but how far the masses of the working people are prepared > (ideologically, >> politically and practically) to accept the Soviet system and to > dissolve the >> bourgeois-democratic parliament (or allow it to be dissolved). It is > an >> absolutely incontestable and fully established historical fact that, > in >> September-November 1917, the urban working class and the soldiers and >> peasants of Russia were, because of a number of special conditions, >> exceptionally well prepared to accept the Soviet system and to disband > the >> most democratic of bourgeois parliaments. Nevertheless, the Bolsheviks > did >> not boycott the Constituent Assembly, but took part in the elections > both >> before and after >> the proletariat conquered political power. That these elections > yielded >> exceedingly valuable (and to the proletariat, highly useful) political >> results has, I make bold to hope, been proved by me in the > above-mentioned >> article, which analyses in detail the returns of the elections to the >> Constituent Assembly in Russia. " >> "The conclusion which follows from this is absolutely > incontrovertible: it >> has been proved that, far from causing harm to the revolutionary >> proletariat, participation in a bourgeois-democratic parliament, even > a few >> weeks before - the victory of a Soviet republic and even after such a >> victory, actually helps that proletariat to prove to the backward > masses why >> such parliaments deserve to be done away with; it facilitates their >> successful dissolution, and helps to make bourgeois parliamentarianism >> "politically obsolete". To ignore this experience, while at the same > time >> claiming affiliation to the Communist International, which must work > out its >> tactics internationally (not as narrow or exclusively national > tactics, but >> as international tactics), means committing a gross error and actually >> abandoning internationalism in deed, while recognising it in word. " >> >> But where actually does Sithembewena obtain the orientation of his >> views? He claims he is a Bolshevik, but his views stand in contrast to > the >> Bolsheviks strategy and tactics. >> >> I rest my case. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sithembewena tsembeyi [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 15 December 2008 04:06 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Fw: The Menshevisation Of The Party >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Firstly it is not your platform to be sure whether i`m a member of the > party >> or not, as for my identity it has never been hiden I have always made > it >> clear that my name is Sithembewena unless you want me to state > otherwise, >> but anyway this discussion is not about my name but about the > stalinist >> position adopted by some with in the party. Before you can accuse > Bolshevism >> as a faction you have to ask yourself if is it not calling the SACP > the >> party of Kotane a factionalist position. Since its inception in 1921 > our >> party was called the CPSA and the only time it changed the name was > when it >> was called the SACP not the party of Kotane. I am tempeted to agree > with you >> when you say the communist manifesto states that " The proletariat of > each >> country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own >> bourgeoisie".but where I do not agree with you is in the understanding > of >> the qoute, you seem to have understood the exact oposite of that > particular >> qoute. It does in no way proposes that the communist party must adopt > a >> pro-Imperialist agenda. A communist manifesto also provokes the > overthrowing >> of the bourgeois supremacy by the proletariat. It is well known within > the >> Marxist-Leninist ranks that Karl Marx is the only one who understands >> Marxism better than Marx himself but with Lenin it is also known that > he is >> the one that understood Marxisim after Marx hance he gave it a clear >> intrepritation interms of practice. >> >> Since I am aware that your memory is attacked by an unknown virus, I > think >> it will be appropriate for me to remind you that I am an active member > of >> the SACP in Gauteng, who heppens to know not only that you are serving > in >> the PWC, PEC Procincial Council and the ACC but I also know that you > are >> part of those who claim to have attended the very same meeting that > the six >> caders are suspended for attending. If it wasnt for your owing > aligiance to >> some poeple wihtin the party you would have understood the position of > the >> PC that the six caders matter should be reffered to the PWC in writing > so >> that the PWC could look into it and reffer it to the PEC that would > have >> taken the necessary maesures. But since you do not have confidence in >> organisational prossess within th province you then chose to ignore > the call >> made by the PC and took the matter to the Augmented CC, knowing very > well >> that your masters will be part of those deaaling with the compliant. > So if >> anything has to do with counter-revolution, it should be the tendency > of >> destroying revolutionaries like the six caders, in order to advance an >> agenda of those who were formally members of a reactionary party. what > is >> again also counter-revolutionary is to have confidence in parliament > whilest >> the class straggle has thought us state aparators are there to advance > the >> interests of the rulling class, wich in the SA case are the > Bourgoisie. the >> sentance you mainly qouted from the communist manifesto does in no way >> suggest that the party should be vanguard of the Bourgoisie. Therefore > it is >> incorect to think settleng matters with the Bourgoisie shoulld put the >> interest of the working class (workers and the poor) in suspence. >> >> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Alex M. 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For I am not only an active SACP member; I'm a > Communist. >> I belong to the Party of Moses Kotane. My application of > Marxism-Leninism is >> rooted in the specific realities of South Africa, with no slightest >> ignorance on the international situation and its impact to our > national >> democratic revolution and the struggle for socialism. I never > fantasize my >> engagement in the national democratic revolution and the struggle for >> socialism on the basis of conditions in EUROSIA, Utopia whatsoever. >> >> My main concern, acting within the Party as a collective, is to defeat > the >> undesired conditions to which the people of South Africa, the majority > of >> whom are black people in general, Africans in particular, the youth, > women >> and above all, the working class and the poor, have been subjected to. > What >> does this mean in essence? It means that I'm active in a program to > realise >> a strategic objective for a complete national liberation, the > elimination of >> patriarchy, ageism, and most in particular, class (economic) > exploitation. >> >> >> >> I would like to prescribe the 1848 Manifesto of the Communist Party by > Marx >> and Engels for the writer below before s/he can deem himself/herself > fit to >> give Communists a political education. Amongst other things the > Manifesto of >> the Communist Party states that "The proletariat of each country must, > of >> course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie". Our > national >> democratic revolution and the struggle for socialism are taking place > in >> their dialectical interconnectedness and in different conditions > compared >> with those of the Bolsheviks in both Russia and the Soviet Union. >> Notwithstanding this fact though, I'm not dismissing the Bolsheviks. > For >> they have engaged with their specific conditions competently. This > year, we >> are celebrating the 91st anniversary of the Great October Russian > Revolution >> in which they have been instrumental. But Russia is currently under >> capitalist rule. The USSR dissolved. The struggle for socialism still > has >> got to continue in that part of the world. I'm certain it will > eventually >> succeed, and that the Communist Party in Russia will move forward by >> learning from past mistakes. >> >> >> >> Just to reiterate, I'm not dismissing the Bolsheviks. I'm against the >> adoption of revolutionary names to advance counterrevolutionary > agendas. >> >> >> >> Was the writer below an active SACP member in Gauteng, s/he would know > that >> I serve in the PWC, the PEC and Provincial Councils of the Party in > this >> province. I've also been part of the Augmented Central Committee out > of >> which s/he unplugged only one decision but chose to misrepresent facts > on >> it. I want to place to the writer below on record that the matters > s/he >> refers to were raised in the Provincial Council, the PEC (twice) and >> finally, the PWC. Unlike her/him, I will not turn the YCL forum into a >> disciplinary hearing or a platform to undermine the Party's principle > of >> democratic centralism by questioning the integrity of its decisions. >> >> >> >> I want to reiterate that whoever has been suspended by the Augmented > Central >> Committee is innocent unless proven guilty before a credible process > of a >> hearing by the Central Committee Disciplinary Committee. The writer > below is >> free to go there and give evidence. But s/he owes the SACP a > suspension for >> undermining its highest authority in between Congresses, i.e., the > Central >> Committee. I also want to advise the writer below to protect the > integrity >> of persons whom s/he claims to represent. The more s/he refers to them > the >> more s/he will attract others to express their views about them. At > the >> end, there have been so many suspensions in Gauteng. I know not where > was >> the writer below, to do the same. Please dear writer, stop using >> revolutionary names to advance factional interest into the SACP. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mashilo, Alex MOHUBETSWANE >> >> 011 689 1700/73/31 >> >> 082 9200 308 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sithembewena tsembeyi [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 11 December 2008 01:04 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Fw: The Menshevisation Of The Party >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear comdrate Alex yes I am not hiding my identity in any case we all >> participate in this furom for the love of the revolution and the > party, stop >> being idiological concubine and deal with the discusion not me I am > who I >> say I am all the way otherwise or so.In any case since you were never >> informed about the difference between activists and revolutionaries, I > think >> now is the time that you should be given a brief political lesson. It >> is poeple like you who do not care about the overall wellbeing of the >> overwhelming majority who in the South African case are the working > class, >> who will never know that personalities are a fregment of our > revolution. I >> choose to be a BOLSHEVIK becoz historically they are the ones who > refuse to >> alline themselves with the Menshevik position that was in favour of > the >> rassian petty Bourgoisie at the expence of the working class, hance >> the Rassian revolution took place in 1917. it is clear to me that you > are >> not awear that >> communist should not alline themselfs or seek to advance the interest > of >> the enemy class. name calling and intimidations are stratergies and > tecticks >> of the petty Bourgoisie, so if you inspire to be a Maxist-Lenenist > which you >> are not, you should know that I cant present myself as an individual > becouse >> I do not have an interest of my own separate from that of the working >> class.Activists are found in defferent forms even those that actively > took >> part in advancing the Impirialist agenda, have got the right to > pronounce >> themselves as activists. but revolutionaries are those who should > change the >> world since philosophers have already interprited it. Given time > you`ll grow >> to learn that there is nothing like freedom of expresion in the SACP. > When >> Caders like Mazibuko Jara were trying to provoke a discusion in the > party by >> asking whearther "is our fleg RED or JZ" he was victimised but again > it is >> scientifically proven that the are those who are intolarent >> to descending views within the party proof of that was the first > suspention >> of Phillip Dextor who was trying to provoke discussion. So if any one > was to >> refrain from cowardise that person should be you, come out in the open > and >> announce your participation in the cooked alligations that lead to the >> suspension of the six caders. Your idioligical imatuarity made you not > to >> have faith in constititional process of the party. The alligations > about the >> six caders were suposed to be procidurally been raised with the PWC in >> Gauteng but since your intention did not have anything to do with > principle >> and loyalty you lost faith in the PWC and the PEC after realising that > your >> alligations had no substance, for your information we know you owe > your >> provincial Secritaraet position to some in the CC.lastly I think you > should >> refrain from being somebodies fandamentalist and begin to take working > class >> seriosely.Socialisim is the Future. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> From: Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Fw: The Menshevisation Of The Party >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:39 AM >> >> >> >> The cowards who mask themselves behind pseudonyms in an operation to >> discredit decisions from the SACP Central Committee among others by > way of >> trying to turn the YCL forum as a platform of expressing feelings > rather >> than objective engagements are not only wasting their time and energy, > they >> are also interrupting our schedules unnecessarily so. >> >> >> >> We shall also not be threatened by an adoption of revolutionary names > to >> advance counter-revolutionary, anti-communist agendas. As > Marxists-Leninists >> we relate to both persons and formations not from what they say of >> themselves, but from clarity between that and what they really are and > do in >> practice. We are not obsessed with appearances. We pass over from > appearance >> to essence in every name used, situation whatsoever. >> >> The writer below sounds to be having knowledge that her/his own > activities >> are incompatible with the Party principles. Her/His stories written > bellow >> are evidence that s/he must appear before the SACP Disciplinary > process, >> which he avoids by using a pseudonym masquerading as a Bolshevik, > WHICH S/HE >> IS CLEARLY NOT. >> >> Lastly, any comrades facing charges in the Party are presumed > innocent, >> until found otherwise after a due, credible process. I'm certain that > the >> Central Committee Disciplinary Committee has no reason in principle to >> refuse any person to give evidence for or against any charges on any > accused >> appearing before it. BUT, SUCH WITNESSES MUST BREAK FROM COWARDICE, BE >> THEMSELVES AND USE THEIR REAL NAMES; THEY ARE FREE TO APPEAR ANYWHERE > AS >> THEY REALLY ARE. That is part of the freedom of expression fought for > by our >> Party which was banned in 1950 under the Suppression of Communism Act. >> >> Truly, >> >> Mashilo, Alex Mohubetswane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]> >> Date: 2008/12/8 >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fw: The Menshevisation Of The Party >> To: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 12/8/08, sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> From: sithembewena tsembeyi <[email protected]> >> Subject: The Menshevisation Of The Party >> To: "Dominic Tweedie" <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, December 8, 2008 , 4:56 AM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The resent suspension of Zico Bolshevik Tamela and other progressive > caders >> of the party from the Bolshevik province of Gauteng is a clear > indication >> intolerance and stalinisim within the party, We will not be surprised > to see >> further suspension of other Bolshevik leaders in the province or the >> disbanding of Gauteng PEC, as Gauteng has always been the voice of > reason >> with in the party. >> >> >> >> >> >> Some within the CC are beholding grudges with cders, Especially those > that >> ideologically pro founded them, Sometime last year in the ACC the then >> provincial Secretary of the Party Cader Vishwas Satgar was insulted > and >> attacked in an uncommunist manner, to make matters worse those who > insulted >> Cader Vish went to an extend of attiring racist remarks to the fallow >> comrade. >> >> >> >> >> >> All these uncomradely attacks took place took place in the presences > of the >> GS, and entire CC, yet failed to protect the cader, Simply becoz it > was >> advancing a ceirtain agenda of those who claim to be the > representatives of >> the working class, Whilest in reality they are representing their > personal >> interests. >> >> >> >> >> >> The partys Central Commitee members seem to have forgoten, the fact > that >> communist caders are the most advanced and resolute section of the > working >> class, and tha they do not have an interest of their own separate from > that >> of the working class. Suspending Bolsheviks caders like Ziko, Tengo, > and the >> others sugests that the is a tendency or a move by those that are >> financially comfortable within the party to transform the SACP into a >> permanent socialst desk of the ANC. >> >> >> >> >> >> These susupended Bolsheviks are possing as threat to the lumpent > bourgoiesie >> that are curently possing as representatives of the working class, > whilest >> they are pure capitalist at haert and agents of the impirialist > agenda. >> Futher more these Bolsheviks are suspended for advancing a maxist > leninist >> concept. A truely communist concept that seeks to advance working > class >> agenda of over throwing the bourgoie suprimacy. These Bolsheviks >> consistancy on the state power question is a thorn in ass of the >> bourgoiesie and their consistancy irritates the bourgoiesie, > therefore the >> lumpent bourgoiesie with in party who are also the drivers of >> pro-impirialist agenda decided to >> >> >> suspend these Bolshevik. The CC might succeed in destroying these >> classicall caders, as they are sinoir to other within the CC, but will > have >> to note that the might of the working class has never been defeated. > History >> will JUDGE those THUGS who are busy triying to destroy the communist > party >> in a brutal way. If fighting for the dictatorship of the proletariat > is a >> crime in the communist party I therefore on behalf of these BOLSHEVIKS >> plead guilty as charged, >> >> >> >> >> >> As caders from the bolshevic province we are tampted to believe that > this >> susupention of Cde Zico and the others was triggered by the firm and >> uncompromising stand of these true representatives of the working > class. >> >> >> >> >> >> PATRIA O MUERTE!! >> >> >> VENCEREMOS >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: Gauteng on th right path >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008 , 12:18 AM >> >> >> >> >> Dear Cde Sithembewena, >> >> >> >> >> >> Zico's cronies got me suspended from the branch last year and wanted > to >> chuck me out of the Party. >> >> >> >> >> >> The year before that, it was Vishwas Satgar who tried to have me > thrown out. >> >> >> >> >> >> I have known Zico for many years. When he was suspended from SATAWU I > did >> not shun him. Little did I know that he would try to work the same >> suspension business on me. >> >> >> >> >> >> When Dinga was reinstated by NUMSA, I rejoiced, even though Dinga had > been >> Zico's chief prosecutor against me last year. >> >> >> >> >> >> This time it's different. These guys are accused of using their > positions in >> the Party to establish another party, just like Mluleki George and > the >> others did in the ANC. >> >> >> >> >> >> The suspension is done by the CC. The disciplinary process will be > done >> properly. You have to accept it, comrade, until the process is > complete. >> >> >> >> >> >> My advice to you is: Do not lobby in this way for Zico and the others. > Do >> not make allegations of ulterior motives the way you have done in this >> message to me. >> >> >> >> >> >> Allow the constitutional process to go through. >> >> >> >> >> >> With best wishes, >> >> >> >> >> >> Dominic. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: sithembewena tsembeyi [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: 05 December 2008 09:58 AM >> To: Dominic Tweedie >> Subject: Gauteng on th right path >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dominic I know over the years we have seen Gauteng being a victim of >> secumstances but we as the constitiance of this movement have to say > it >> clearly, I know that we have seen it bileteraly that it was a plan of > other >> fuctions that after the leadership of Ziko and Nkosi, they were not > wanted, >> this says it clearly that some within the movement donot respect the >> democratic process of the party in the province, Ziko and Nkosi have > done >> all its worth to keep the party alive in the province, yet they are > being >> dealth with, We have seen Nkosi being a true communist, one that will > stand >> for the libaration and betterness of the poor and the working class, > is this >> not what the party stand for. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I know I might today been seen as a reactionary, but to the true > esence of >> the matter we have no solid grounds to deal with the privincial > leadership, >> infact we should be looking closely how to assist the province to do > futher >> better for is people, I have not mailed you to cource conflict nor >> vistimisation of any of the leaders, the fact is you need to open up > clearly >> so and see what damage you may course in dealing with these province, > we >> have seen things unfolding and it is of true believe that non of any > other >> province has performed to the idialogy of socialist than the Gauteng >> comministly so. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ziko might have been suspended due to some inconcivety that I might > not >> know, but for the fect that the provincial chair is been ploted > against I >> find it desterbing for the party as a whole, and we can not say that > one who >> has on open and indipenden view of the status core of the party must > be >> dealth with in any case we have seen the best leader and preferably > Jerremy >> can agree too. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dominic I know you have been the greates writer of the communiist > sociaty >> but know you need to over center the counter revolutionary that might > be >> under way especially when it comes to dealing with Nkosiphendule the >> provincial Chair. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hoping you will find this in order >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> MSEROBATSE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Volkswagen of South Africa (Pty) Ltd. 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