Comrades sometimes we do not have to complicate the uncomplicated it is factual the previous leardership of SASCO failed our beloved movement. It is very simple if you look at it from a distance and if comrade SASCO Member wants proof he should have had a look at the previous SASCO website which was like the his own website instead of being an organisational website. he should have looked at the SRC election results on a national perspective and he could have that SASCO had lost on a number of its strong holds. He should have looked at the membership data and the quality of first years we actually admitt to SASCO during his reign as SASCO president (you are now known comrade david). This would have given the comrade a clear vision that he failed the organisation when he was president.
yes i know corades there is nothing worse than admitting failure but admitting failure shows how brave and selfless you are so chief just admitt it and then we can move on and engage on matters that really matter either than calling people strong communists as if you carry a barometer to measure communists. lastly comrades did anyone here Erick Myeni on the past todays on SAFM he loudly said he was going to vote for the ANC because he belives that there is no other organisation in South Africa that has better policies and programms that those of the African National Congress. how do you view this comrades is it positive or negative to the organisation as some people have classified him as a deployee of the ANC in the media almost like Mtholephi Mthimkhulu when he was working for Ukhozi F.M communist regards Njabulo "Mzimela" Nzuza ________________________________ From: sobabili babalo <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:28:17 PM Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Is it wrong to ask? Well said, it is oustanding that David Maimela continues, out of a sunken heart to the sea of blood, informed by anger so wild and unguided as it comes, continues to sustain attack to the highly placed leadership of our organization because he disagreed with the assertions made. indeed he was part of the shameful phase of SASCO history so recorded to its annals, and generations of SASCO leaders would be told that once upon a time there was these leaders of 2005-2007 who bastardized the great name of this red student movements for reasons known to themselves. and lets not be dilly-dallying on these because its facts. the best thing to do is apology to SASCO as having let it down. Khaye Nkwanyana is a leader of substance so groomed by the same organization in the late 90's to early 2000s. he is qualified to speak the painful truth so presented here as lies( subjectively). I was there in the funeral myself and wholly agrees with the context of his oration now posted here for everyone to see. And he cannot be summoned to on-line forums to account on bitter individuals. if they want more elaboration they must write letters to the YCL HQ to him for elaboration. anyway he has many public platforms that he speak to on his capacity as DNS of YCL. to even call him a strange communists says a lot about the attitude of the so called SASCO member and annoyance to the extreme not to Nkwanyana but to the office he occupies and the organization itself! you are just a renegade. live up to your sins when you were a President. your name will forever live in the wall shame for all future leaders of SASCO to see. Sobabz. On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Dear SASCO MEMBER Let me start by reminding you that the fundamental purpose of this forum is to her us grow our capacity. However, I am not going to judge whether your discussions does respond to this fundamental purpose or not. I also want to remind you that SASCO has thousands of members so it is very important to identify yourself in this Mass Democratic Movement. We subscribe to democratic principles such as freedom of speech and so on. So we do not have comrades Anonymous in this MDM but we have Cde Senzo, Cde Mdu, Cde Khaye, etc.. I have been a member of SASCO and had a priviledge to participate in its constitutional structures such as BGMs, PGCs, PCs, NGCs and NCs. This made me to interact with the previous leadership including the current one. I had an opportunity to engage the leadership on a number of issues. I always like to see a united and working PYA. This can also be done in a number of ways including constructive criticism. This is not a sweetheart relationship, it is a revolutionary and organic one, so one can engage and be engaged. I was present in a 2005 NC in Limpopo, where the leadership refused to pronounce its position to support the then ANC deputy President. That leadership convened the NGC in 2005 July in the 17th Shaft wherein they invited Jacob Zuma through the then SG of the ANC and later replaced him with the then NWC member Phumzile Mlambo Ngcuka who had replaced Cde Zuma in country's Vice Presidency. You know what transpire after that… I think you will recall that the 2006 Leadership did not said even on a single day that it support the then ANC Deputy President and they distanced themselves from court appearance wherein all MDM formations were expected to show up. The 2005 ANC NGC took a resolution to support the then Deputy President, so allow me to take it from Cde Thabo Mbeki he said "Correctly the National General Council has expressed its support for our Deputy President during these trying and painful times. Once more we have emphasised the point that it is an imperative of natural justice that he should have an opportunity to defend himself against whatever accusations have been made against him. We are all united around these principled positions and join him in hoping that the judicial processes will not be delayed unnecessarily". But surprisingly the 2005 to 2007 leadership could not take respect of this decision. I hope you will recall that the previous leadership would just act outside the knowledge of its branches in case there are public demonstrations against certain institutional issues in various Universities. I hope you also witness that 2006 National Congress of SASCO was planned to be addressed by Cde Vavi but he was eventually replaced by Madisha because of the reasons known to the then SASCO leadership only. It came no surprise to some of us that the 2007 SASCO leadership could not provide leadership on students' issues and successfully provided leadership on personal and factional agendas. This was demonstrated when they compromised the principle of continuity during the SAUS conference in Bloemfountein. The national deployment committee could not make Cde Chulumanca an Executive leader of SAUS simple because he had a fight with the SG of SASCO. I hope you also witnessed the performance of the students organization in 2007 chief. It was so bad. Surprisingly that 2007 leadership was not in a position to convene a Conference in December 2007 because they wanted to attend the ANC Conference in Polokwane. I hope you will also agree with me when I say because of the legacy of the previous leadership we do not know when the term of office is going to expire now. I hope as a member of SASCO you can now realize that there has been a change with regard to the relations among the PYA. The language you find in SASCO is identical to what you find in YCL, ANCYL, and COSAS. This is what we want to see happening in these structures comrade SASCO MEMBER; a healthy political relationship that advocates and represents the interest of the youth and those of students. I will close my input by reminding you and all our comrades that we have a responsibility to sustain our 1994 gains. And that can only happen when we vote for the ANC to continue leading the government. Since we are in a revolutionary organization that believes in freedom of expression I want to emphasize that you should reveal your name chief. Like wise my name is Cde Senzo Dlamini from Pietermaritzburg in Willowfountein. Thank you. Amandla!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Comrades > > This is my third intervention. And I'm still not understood it seems. I > must > say I also find this quite strange. Because it seems there is a deliberate > conscious effort not to understand what I'm raising. > > I continue to bear the tirade of insults and I wont return the favour no > matter how many times I get provoked. > > *Since when is it wrong to ask quite frankly, to be given facts for > allegations made? I never said Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" is wrong or > right. All I asked for is for him to humbly provide facts to his > allegations > so that we may engage on substance rather than the persona. Is that too > much > to ask? Why then are people jumping into conclusions about things that are > not on the table? Is there a need to bring in other political events and > matters taking place in the country on this matter? How do they relate > with > the facts I'm looking for? * > ** > Is this about who gained or lost position in Umthatha? No, not at all. Its > about the facts I'm looking for? Where are they? > > If Mr Nkwanyana the "Young Communist" is made to taste his own medicine > what > is wrong with that? > > And those who claim to have been there, they concur with me on the fact > that > indeed Mr Nkwanyana did what I said he did. And some do support his > utterances but; since he does not provide the facts I need, why cant those > who agree with him provide the facts on his behalf? As good advocates? > > So is it not intolerance to blame or try to shut down people who ask? Why > is > it wrong to ask for facts so that we can debate honestly and deal with > substance which from what I hear we are all hungry for? I for one cant > wait > hey! > > Again my interest in this is not to defend anybody but to seek for facts > so > that the real debate may begin. Shall we get there comrades? > > We must learn now and forever that when we speak we must be brave enough > to > be held accountable by the public. The innocent mourning public does not > know the history of SASCO perhaps and therefore they were fed with lies as > truth. What compensation is there for the public? Because the public > cannot > prove Mr Nkwanyana right or wrong? Its a dilemma of the highest proportion > for me! > > SM > > > > ------------------------------------------- South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za ------------------------------------------------------------------ For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. 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