Sure President Sabelo Gina, let the debate continue...!
Funky >>> [email protected] 02/24/09 6:22 AM >>> Hi Comrades, I think Fundi was correct that the new ANC leadership must intervene in this matter. What makes me to want to respond to this comrade from CSIR who speaks about incompetent COSATU members at local government is that firstly as a person who works for a unit that is supposed to deal with Energy Efficiency in South Africa, he is not qualified to say COSATU comrades are incompetent because if he was competent, we would have no Energy Crisis that we currently have in our country. But also his allegation shows disrespect for our comrades in COSATU, in particular our SAMWU. How about supplying his residential address then maybe SAMWU members can deliver "competency" at his place. I think the comrade must withdraw the attack on COSATU or supply his residential address from SAMWU comrades to delivery "competency". Comradely, Cedric Gina. On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Nndwamato Mutshidza <[email protected] > wrote: > > Cde Molaba, > > I am one who first of all acknowledge the challenges facing our country and > such a particular interventions had to be made. These initiatives might be > Neo-Liberal in nature and Character. The bottom line is what works to take > our people out of the quagmire they are faced with daily. The real enemy > here is structural adjustments that aim to create an interventionist State. > My views are that on the Road to Better Lifer for All, you will have created > space for sharing on the resources of the country, eliminate poverty and > class contradictions which is Socialist Approach. Hence despite the fact > that the ANC remains a broad church it remains a discipline force of the > Left in terms of its pro-poor policies and intervention initiatives. I do > not seeks to know whats facing our own Government but I clearly challenge > you as Nehawu for instant, to allow the Provident funds and Investment Money > you have invested from workers to be used to finance the State Programmes. > Until such time you agree to the call by the ANC to allow this liquid cash > to be used you could not blame the ANC for Privatisation or for entering > into Partnership with Private sector to deliver services. I may ask then > what then become the role of the State as you see it from a Socialist > Perspective? Is it the State that Intervene strategically (resolution of the > Alliance economic Summit) will bear testimony to what SACP, Cosatu want the > ANC led State to deal with challenge facing the masses relating to service > delivery. Again you must tell us here Msebenzi, how do we proceed with > incompetent members of COSATU at Local Government? Do we fire incompetency > or we invest on intervention dealing with turn around strategy, empowerment > and other initiatives taken in recent years. It was the ANC that came > forwards and said there is something wrong with how we prioritise resources > without looking at sustainability. It was the ANC that adopted a Balanced > Scorecard to measure and evaluate the delivery of the promise to people. All > these initiatives are Neo-Liberal in Nature but only differ from other > Capitalist Country in the manner in which the ANC lead Alliance intervene. > Hence when I was dealing with the issue around the Pre-Paid meters, my point > has been lets not engage with the methodology of measuring if that service > is delivered or not. Lets open discussion on the quantity of that 50L per > day per household. I have said in my own experience its thus people are > angry not because there is meter but because you timed it to close water > upon utilisation of the free water. The point is 50L is not enough for our > people and thats what we should engage the ANC on. You could just add that > Conventional Meters and estimate that people are being provided with free > water and then when they do not pay for the other portion they are cut-off, > which is unhuman. I am inviting anyone to tell me here. Is this 50L based on > the impact it has on families or just an economic justification. All > progressive forces should then argue along the line of challenging the > economic justification to determine whats acceptable to built a sustainable > livelihood. > > You asked a very clear topic who supported GEAR? Branch delegates towards > the 1997 Mafikeng Conference emerge with GEAR as an Economic policy to > revive, to take our country forward. The only difference you have is that it > came from other cdes who you might not agree with. But the same gear has at > least so far created conditions for this country to move forward. I am > challenging you to pick a point in the GEAR that does not speak to creating > condition for implementations of pro-poor policies. I am challenging you to > tell me exactly where in the policy do you have a problem with. Lets be > pragmatic as oppose to be opportunistic. Secondly come with proposal that > could replace the current economic policy. It seems you are failing to > understand that a policy evolve and what is working is strengthen and what > not is reviewed. The Alliance summit look at the broader aspect of the > Economic Policy and only make emphasis of the Inflation Targeting, Refocus > from growth for Employment to Employment for Gowth as key issue to be looked > at.The body of evidence relating to the country direction the Alliance is in > agreement. Lets move away from rhetoric to practical proposal that will > ensure that masses are prioritised as enshrined in our Manifesto for 2009 > Election, which went into length to explain how we will intervene to create > jobs, rollout Public Infrastructures and seeks partnership in creating a > better life for all. Unfortunately, what we need to acknowledge is that the > State in Capitalist Society does not create jobs but create conditions for > job creation, which is Neoliberal in nature. Sa is not a socialist State and > its not the State responsibility to ensure that every person has a job, but > it is the State responsibility to ensure that every citizen has got access > to services. The Free Water Service and Free Basic Electricity and Free > basic Alternative Energy are all Socialist Intervention by the Discipline > Force of the Left the ANC. > > In all, this there is no labelling but a call for a public discourse around > what constitute a better service for the pro-poor engagement. > > I remain a defender of the ANC, SACP pro-poor policies > > Mutshidza Nndwamato > Energy Efficiency Programme Manager (EEPM) > Council for Scientific & Industrial Research (CSIR) > > Room 18, Building 35, Scientia Campus, > Meiring Road, Brummeria, Pretoria, 0001 > P. O. 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