I have always believed that such discussions relating to disciplinary actions and manner of conduct by ANC members should at all times be guided by our constitution and the code of conduct (ANC constitution). So if any member of the ANC including the president is found to have gone against the code of conduct, then proper actions should be taken. But these processes must be informed by the very same code of conduct. ANC will not be led by emotions or feelings of certain people within it but by the constitution. However, it would be up to the leadership to properly assess the implications, the timing and the sensitive nature of such disciplinary process. And such process would have to be treated with care and delicacy as to protect individual rights of our members, and render them innocent until proven otherwise and probably achieve unity at the end of the day. Here there issue of to expel or not to will depend upon the degree of the violation of the code of conduct. For now let us focus our energies towards assisting the ANC to achieve more than two/thirds majority.
Matla!! Aphiwe Bewana SASCO – Western Cape Mr. A.L. Bewana MSc. Conservation Biology Percy-FitzPatrick Institute DST/NRF-Centre of Excellence University of Cape Town Cell no. 073 4483 651 "All that we are is the result of all that we have thought. It is founded on thought. It is based on thought". >>> "Themba Mavuso" <[email protected]> 04/07/09 5:12 PM >>> We should not allow our joy to produce evil thinking. They have plotted to destroy our president now the trail is over many things revealed. Let us move forward as nation teach them that disagreement in democracy does not create enemies. Lets serve the poor than serving jail terms. TM is still member of the ANC if guilty must be disciplined not expelled. This would make COPE very strong in real sense. I know others are more aggresive to call LM suspension from World Bank. Let's us not fight each other now it over Nxamalala is our only President to lead us 2012 celebration. Let the spirit of Solomon Mahlangu and Moses "Mancane" Mabuza (Swalala, White River) Lives AMANDLA ________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of KGALE GODFREY MAILA Sent: Tue 2009/04/07 02:39 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] JZ Your passionate hatred for the former President does not assist ANC to move forward in realising its historic mission. This victory for JZ must allow us to unite and deliver to the mandate of the poorest of the poor in particular, come April 22. So you can go ahead and insult Thabo Mbeki, maybe its your right. But one thing for sure, you will never realise that expulsion, only in your imagination. >>> [email protected] 04/07/09 8:44 AM >>> Young comrades of the congress movement should mobilise and lobby for the expulsion of Thabo Mbeki from the ANC. Much as they many great things he had personally done for struggle of the people of South Africa and beyond, his dangerous love for power has made him do such disastrous things that did not only compromise his person the also the glorious movement of the masses of the people. Thabo should be allowed to rot to the political grave he has dug for himself. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lyndoh Mkwanazi Sent: 07 April 2009 08:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: JZ ood things come to those who wait and Nxamalala has waited for these cockroaches to finally eat Dyroach...Amandla!!!!!!!!!!!! --- On Mon, 6/4/09, sipho shandu <[email protected]> wrote: From: sipho shandu <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: JZ To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 6 April, 2009, 5:37 PM I agree with you 100% cadre sydney!!! On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Sydney Tumelo M okhethi <[email protected]> wrote: "Justice Delayed is AND CLER!!!!! Let's Win the Election and deal with these issue properly*ALUTA!!! YES WE CAN Cde Sydney From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Metuse Mbasa Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: JZ We are vindicated, real culprits must be jailed, Amandla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Manganye, Michael M Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 11:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] JZ JZ is cleared at last Long live ANC,COSATU, SACP................Long live Mike Manganye Manager,Credit Evaluation Limpopo Province Tel No:015 290 8458 Fax No:086 542 9813 / 015 290 8350 "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." Joe Slovo ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Luzuko Buku Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: An open letter to the Archbishop of counter revolution Well said comrade Kazier, I hope that the attention seeking ARCH will get it quite clearly. Comrades who want to read another response to the arch must read Sandile Mamela's recent post on Thought Leader @ http://www..thoughtleader.co.za/sandilememela <http://www.thoughtleader.co.za/sandilememela> Forward to Victory in the Battle of Ideas ________________________________ From: Kaizer Mohau <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: James Myburgh <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 3:48:38 PM Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: An open letter to the Archbishop of counter revolution AN OPEN LETTER TO THE ARCHBISHOP OF COUNTER REVOLUTION Dear Archbishop I have for sometimes now been paying my attention to your political comments and statements mainly against the African National Congress and its leadership with your focus being on the President of the ANC Cde Jacob Zuma. As a South African and as an individual who grew up in a Christian family * I must say, you are an embarrassment to many of us. Firstly, you made a statement to the effect that you are not going to vote * as if this irresponsible statement was not enough and now went on to accuse the ANC of not having the interests of South Africans at heart. What worries me most is the fact that you seem to want to be mini God on earth gallivanting around looking for those you want judge and punish. Archbishop, to say that the ANC must withdraw Jacob Zuma as its candidate for the country's presidency is very dangerous and misleading. I wish the church in general will come out and distance itself from your silly and moronic statements. You do not represent, I repeat, you do not represent the holy world especially of this country let alone South Africans as a whole. Archbishop you will recall that despite your irresponsible comment that you are not going to vote, thousands of South African Christians decided to register as a demonstration of their commitment to the development of their own country. Unlike you, South African Christians knows how important it is to exercise their democratic right of choosing their own leaders and government * it is within this context that I will argue that you do not represent anybody except the opposition parties in this country and yourself. In fact, as a member of the ANC I am ashamed of the fact that you have always been associated with the liberation movement led by the ANC.. In an interview with Deborah Pata, you were the most hypocrite * even trying to fa ke tears, I wish you could have cried as you do not cry blhave shown overtime that you are a false prophet * at the expense of our country and our people you are trying to get more awards and praises. Archbishop according to the Bible only God should be praised and not liars like you. To say Cde Jacob Zuma must face trial, to me sounds precisely like what they said to Jesus Christ when he pronounced that his father is in Heaven. Archbishop I am certain that you are familiar with the line in the Bible that says "Thou shall not judge", now why do you think you are God, because it is only God according to the Bible who should judge? You will know Archbishop that there is no court of law in this country which has found Jacob Zuma guilty of any crime neither has there been any institution that has proved beyond any doubt that Jacob Zuma is corrupt, so who do you think you are? Archbishop, I am equally surprised as to what really makes you make the noise you are making. If the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) decides on the basis of evidence before them, to withdraw charges against Jacob Zuma * who are you and Helen Zille to argue otherwise? Perhaps you have like your Mvume Dandala decided to join politics fulltime * which is obviously your right * but please be free to do so without wanting to drag the country with you. It is interesting that you said if asked in New York as to who is your President you will be ashamed to mention Cde Jacob Zuma as your President * but who told you that we elect our leaders and government to please Americans or anybody for that matter? Archbishop, I sincerely appeal to you as a young person who grew up within a Christian family that you must desist from making public statements which are embarrassing to us and our fellow South African Christians. For instances on the issue of the Dalai Lama, you again embarrassed yourself by even deciding not to attend an event because the Dalai Lama was not going to attend * but seriously now, Archbishop * if for God'sake a group of people invite Osama Bin Laden to an event and our government takes a contrary decision in terms of allowing Bin Laden in the Country, will you protest against the government decision? Finally, Archbishop * I am making this humble appeal to you and those who are still in the closet in terms of pronouncing on their political affiliation to come out in the open as being in the closet is not in the interest of our country, our people and God. Blessed are those who do not hide their counter revolutionary agenda behind collars. 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