Initially I had thought that I am not going to enter this debate but I think that I must agree with the Cosas president at least on the issue relating to Sasco having been infiltrated by comrades who are publicity mongers and too thirst for political advancement riding on the bandwagon of the glorious student movement's popularity and struggle credentials called Sasco.
I will attempt to avoid falling into the same trap of lambasting Sasco (at least those mandated with the responsibility of being the face/s of the organization-excuse me for not knowing as to who is the real organizational face now given the apparent immature contest between my president and the alleged SG typical of celebrity wannabees)on this platform. It escapes my thinking as why the alleged SG will childishly and immaturely attempt to perform the duties of my president, at least that of being the face of the organization. It is however sufficient to say that if the NEC of Sasco is correctly of the view that raising genuine political and organizational concerns in the media other than party structures is foreign, it is equally foreign for Sasco to run to the media and raise issues with the ANCYL. As the saying goes, 'two wrongs does not make right". To raise an issue of concern with an alliance partner is not foreign in principle as my Sasco president correctly contended however, to raise it in platforms like the media is foreign. (Inner party) Self-criticism and criticism could do more harm than go if it is raised outside of the organization not to even mention the media noting its agenda,(i.e. to sow divisions within the alliance in order to defend and advance the bourgeois system thus undermining the national democratic revolution). I am certain that Sasco comrades are aware that two wrongs does not make right. However because we live in a capitalistic society wherein inter alia, glory seeking tendencies and individualism are inherent and the order of the day, comrades would undermine long established traditions and consciously contradict themselves just to get individual glory and publicity. Thus positioning themselves for political advancement at the expense of the very same principle that they claim to know better than others. I would have written to the Sasco SG to raise this matter hence I said "initially I had thought that I am not going to enter this debate but I think that I agree with the Cosas president.." but the fact that I do not have their postal addressees made me to opt for this forum. I attempted to call the SG but his cell perpetually rang without being answered. As a delegate from KZN in the Umthatha 2008 Sasco congress, when we elected these comrades I said to myself "Sasco is alive and it leads". Unbeknown to me, amongst those we elected were publicity mongers who are only interested in marketing themselves in order to advance their political careers and influencing (undemocratic) processes thus dividing the province to 'appoint' (read payback) their friends in others structures like SAUS. Finally, I hope Sasco did a theoretically and practical blunder hence they will swallow their pride and do the right thing by apologizing to the Youth League for consciously contradicting themselves by failing to walk the talk. JZ in his acceptance speech in Polokwane correctly said when leaders fail to provide leadership and instead engage in activities other than the mandate given to them, branches will take charge to assert their authority and when we do it, others will be causalities (my emphasis). Thembinkosi "Cheesa" Zondi kz221 ward3 ANCYL branch Secretary and former Sasco 2006-07 Kzn Pec. >>> "Godfrey Segoahla" <[email protected]> 5/6/2009 8:46 AM >>> There is always sunshine no matter what, South Africans experience betrayal of media to the society. Since that day the NPA announce the withdrawal of Zuma case, selective media that was used to prosecute Zuma decide to be quite, they never play a role in such plot. Journalist those were involved show incompetence without variefying facts before printing the stories. May be we arrive in situation that we should begin assess the role of the media in the society, either is to inform and educate the society or to confuse and misled the society. I think this has to be taken to the society so that they draw their own conclusion. I ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:yclsa-eom-fo...@googlegroupscom] On Behalf Of Mashiyamh Sent: 05 May 2009 04:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. ________________________________ From: Mashiyamh [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 May 2009 04:24 PM To: '[email protected]'; 'Maureen Dosoudil'; '[email protected]'; 'Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena'; 'Khulu Radebe'; 'Jeff Rademeyer'; 'Dali Ramncwana'; 'Rapula Monkwe'; 'M T Ronyuza'; 't.mpondo'; 'thulani kunene'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; 'Pat Ntsobi'; 'Puseletso Mokone-skhosana'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; 'Andries Mapetla'; 'alinam'; 'Solly Mapaila'; 'Dr Mako'; 'Diteko Moreotsenye'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; '[email protected]'; 'vuyo mhlakaza'; '[email protected]'; 'bakos'; '[email protected]'; 'Ntombomz i Mjajubana'; 'mzukisi ronyuza'; '[email protected]' Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. Comrades, This debate prompts me to ask WHO IS FOOLING WHO? Capitalists know only one language and that is to pursue profits and in doing so they will shamelessly exploit anyone and anything! We know who controls the media houses and as they say, "He/she who pays the piper calls the tune". Why would our class enemy promote the working class in their media institutions? An opinion piece (see below) by Vusi Mona in today's Businessday is just one example of how biased the press is. The same media people and their apologists who masquerade as analysts and experts cry foul when we talk about establishing a media tribunal. They want self-regulation - what hypocracy! Mthimkulu Mashiya GENERAL SECRETARY South African State and Allied Workers Union - SASAWU 4th Floor COSATU House P O Box 30654 Braamfontein 2017 Tel. +274035631/4031753 fax +273393406 Fax2PC 0866500031 Cell +27826571143 Posted to the web on: 05 May 2009 Press fails to expose state's abuses when Zuma is victim Vusi Mona ________________________________ WHEN major corporate scandals are exposed, shareholders often ask: "Where were the auditors?" The justice scandal exposed a few weeks ago about the existence of secret tapes involving Bulelani Ngcuka and Leonard McCarthy plotting against Jacob Zuma, should have the shareholders of SA Inc - the citizens - asking: w here was the media? The media itself should have reflected on the role it played, or failed to play, during the unfolding of what was a disgraceful blot on our democracy. Regrettably, there has been little, if any, meaningful debate in this regard. Perhaps it has to do with our fear of confronting our own flaws, both as citizens and the media. In all honesty, I should not be raising this issue now, especially after Zuma's certain ascent to the Presidency. After all, he has said we should bury the hatchet and move on as a nation. But is it that simple? Can we confront the future without dealing with our past demons? There is no doubt in my mind that when Ngcuka, McCarthy and their friends abused the prosecuting authority, most in the media chose to look the other way. Members of the Fourth Estate cannot plead ignorance about how the National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) was used to settle political scores. Some of the country's black editors were present in a Sandton hotel room in July 2003 where this abuse - disguised as an off-the-record briefing - should have been obvious even to a rookie journalist. Instead, they chose to be lapdogs. But then, NPA bosses and spin doctors were damn good at getting the media to hate people who were being oppressed and love those who were doing the oppressing. It took the National Intelligence Agency (NIA) to awaken the watchdogs and South Africans to the fact that something sinister was happening. To use the cartoonist Zapiro's hyperbolic imagery, the justice system was being raped. The difference is the perpetrators were not Zapiro's whipping boys - Zuma, the African National Congress, the South African Communist Party and the Congress of South African Trade Unions - but our men of virtue. What Ngcuka, McCarthy and their friends did to the NPA, and to Zuma, exposed a shameful near remaking of the country's prosecuting authority under the previous administration. The fight against corruption was cynically used to mask a political contest and manipulate the NPA in a manner that tore at our constitutional fabric. On seeming orders from "a big man at Shell House" and other external influences, the NPA was expected to play a role not countenanced by our constitution - meddling in politics. With unprecedented abuse of power, probably last seen during apartheid, McCarthy, on a tight leash held by Ngcuka, butted up against - or violated altogether - some of the constitutional requirements meant to safeguard South Africans. However, the violation of Zuma's rights did not start with the taped conversations. It began in 2001 with leaks to the media by people masquerading as law enforcers when they were, in fact, a private political army. It happened again in 2003, when Ngcuka held that off-the-record briefing with a select group of black editors. Some of his comments at that meeting were a shocking violation of Zuma's rights. Zuma's rights were also violated when former justice minister Penuell Maduna and Ngcuka announced there was a prima facie case against Zuma but it was not winnable. The effect of such ambiguity, I wrote in City Press at that time, was that Zuma was "being subjected to a sophisticated kind of vigilante justice". Not far from what Judge Chris Nicholson later called "bizarre". Ngcuka had called this style of justice, at the briefing with editors, the "Pontius Pilate approach" - publicly washing his hands of Zuma but leaving him in the court of public opinion. Alarm bells about this peculiar approach to justice should have been sounded then by the watchdogs. They did not. Instead, the watchdogs were either tame or fast asleep while people's rights were being violated and justice contemptuously refashioned to fight political battles. The tragedy is it all happened right under the noses of our watchdogs, at times with blurred lines between the NPA and the Fourth Estate, the Scorpions and some investigative journalists. SA has yet to grasp fully the public cynicism and decay that was sown by the media playing proxy in the battle between Zuma and the NPA. While the media may have the right to practise embedded journalism in contests between the state and its citizens, one would expect it should, at the very least, raise the red flag when the state violates citizens' rights. It is a role it will have to play under Zuma, or any other president. The media should meet this expectation irrespective of its dislike of the person whose rights are being violated. In Zuma's case, it failed this test and its reputation in this matter is as soiled as the NPA's, McCarthy's and Ngcuka's. But then, one may be expecting too much of the media. It is not called the mainstream media for no reason. Washington-based writer and musician Jason Rosenbaum once said: "By nature, (the mainstream media) shies away from the controversial or the extreme, even if that position represents the truth." The problem is that this goes against the public's understanding of the media - and the media's self-characterisation - as watchdogs. The Fourth Estate, not the NIA, should be at the forefront of exposing the abuse of state institutions. n Mona is spokesman for the Rhema Church and a former editor of City Press. ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:yclsa-eom-fo...@googlegroupscom] On Behalf Of morgan phaahla Sent: 05 May 2009 03:27 PM To: Maureen Dosoudil; [email protected]; [email protected]; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena; Khulu Radebe; Jeff Rademeyer; Dali Ramncwana; Rapula Monkwe; M T Ronyuza; t.mpondo; thulani kunene; [email protected]; [email protected]; Pat Ntsobi; Puseletso Mokone-skhosana; [email protected]; [email protected]; Andries Mapetla; alinam; Solly Mapaila; Dr Mako; Diteko Moreotsenye; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; vuyo mhlakaza; [email protected]; bakos; [email protected]; Ntombomz i Mjajubana; mzukisi ronyuza; [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. Comrade Bongani, I have been waiting but it seems as if Maureen will never answer any of the logical questions posed to her because she wants us to debate among ourselves. I think she must come out clean what is her agenda, unless she is using this forum to conduct research about our understanding of the history of the press freedom to feed her masters. For instance, she claims that "Because the government saw the English press as antagonistic the Nationalist Party formed the Department of Information and printed their own news paper called The Citizen in an attempt to provide positive government news to English speaking readers." This is utter nonsense! The truth is, the Nationalist Party government had already a department of information which controlled the SABC's editorial content and programming. However, it became apparent that the SABC was unable to live up to the expectations of the Department of Information, then the top brass decided to convince the regime to shift about R64 million from the government's defence budget in order to undertake a series of propaganda projects. The plan entailed to form the Bureau of State Security to wage a propaganda war, bribing international news agencies and secret establishment of a government controlled newspaper, The Citizen to counter any alternative voices (locally and abroad). All of this was part of a project to mislead the world about the gross human rights violations being perpetrated by the security arms of the state using extreme violence, threats, detention and physical reprisals towards members of the media. The objective was to spin the apartheid atrocities carried out by government-sponsored security forces against civic leadership and anti-apartheid activists, more especially young people recruited within guerrilla forces and other para-military structures in and out of the country. It's therefore not entirely true that English press was somehow a threat to apartheid regime. There were other elements within major newspapers such as the Washington Post in the United States of America and European newspapers who were hoodwink by inducements to further the apartheid agenda. Certain journalists were paid and bribed to counter every negative reporting against apartheid South Africa. And no amount of pontificating about press freedom can disguise this fact, Maureen. "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Bongani Masuku <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bongani Masuku <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] RE: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. To: "Maureen Dosoudil" <[email protected]>, "yclsa-eom-forum" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena" <[email protected]>, "Khulu Radebe" <[email protected]>, "Jeff Rademeyer" <[email protected]>, "Dali Ramncwana" <[email protected]>, "Rapula Monkwe" <[email protected]>, "M T Ronyuza" <[email protected]>, "t.mpondo" <[email protected]>, "thulani kunene" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], "Pat Ntsobi" <[email protected]>, "Puseletso Mokone-skhosana" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], "Andries Mapetla" <[email protected]>, "alinam" <[email protected]>, "Solly Mapaila" <[email protected]>, "Dr Mako" <[email protected]>, "Diteko Moreotsenye" <[email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], "vuyo mhlakaza" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "bakos" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Ntombomz i Mjajubana" <[email protected]>, "mzukisi ronyuza" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 4:44 AM I asked one simple question. To whom are you journalists accountable? Obviously to shareholders, because you are run as business and nothing professional about the fact that you must do as the bosses who pay you say. In other words, the lies about professionalism, ethics and press freedom are a smokescreen to cover for your being the agents of business and spokespersons of capital, parroting capitalist views as national interest, rather than interests of the few rich individuals. That is the freedom of press you are referring to, not the right of the people to communicate their views freely, even communist views which are ruthlessly silenced by your so-called free media. We must discuss what is exactly meant by freedom of the press, is it not freedom of business to propagate their views, because all the press is controlled by business and not people? ________________________________ From: Maureen Dosoudil [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:02 PM To: yclsa-eom-forum; [email protected]; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena; Khulu Radebe; Jeff Rademeyer; Dali Ramncwana; Rapula Monkwe; M T Ronyuza; t.mpondo; thulani kunene; [email protected]; [email protected]; Pat Ntsobi; Puseletso Mokone-skhosana; [email protected]; [email protected]; Andries Mapetla; alinam; Solly Mapaila; Dr Mako; Diteko Moreotsenye; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; vuyo mhlakaza; [email protected]; bakos; [email protected]; Ntombomz i Mjajubana; mzukisi ronyuza; [email protected]; Bongani Masuku Subject: RE: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. Hello all, Had to finish two assignments and with the elections I was under serious time pressure, now have a quick gap before I start studying for exams. I am asking one simple question: if you do not allow freedom of the press what is the alternative? What is your own solution? Can somebody please give me an answer. I do agree that the press upheld the system of apartheid and that is exactly my reason for supporting a free press - under apartheid (and under any form of totalitarian government), the government controlled the press and through this control there was no opposition to what was printed in the press. There was LITTLE FREE PRESS in the apartheid years and therefore the SA population was mislead if they believed what they read in the news paper. I would prefer to be able to read opposing views and then make my own decision - I do not want other people telling me how and what to think. This is only possible if there is freedom of the press. During apartheid the English press was seen by the government as being anti-government because the English press exposed government activities. In many instances journalists were jailed and in extreme cases they were eventually forced to leave SA to avoid being jailed. If there had been freedom of the press then we would have had more information of the atrocities committed by government, this would of course meant that more white South Africans would have taken a different view point of what was happening. Because the government saw the English press as antagonistic the Nationalist Party formed the Department of Information and printed their own news paper called The Citizen in an attempt to provide positive government news to English speaking readers. So, if the current government thinks the press is antagonistic, it can always produce its own news paper. A lie told many times becomes a truth, so, if you are continually told that the press always lies, then you will belive the press lies - if you are told the press always tells the truth then you will believe the press tells the truth. Why don't we all think for ourselves and not always rely on others to dictate to us about how and what we should think. -------Original Message------- From: Bongani Masuku<mailto:[email protected]> Date: 2009/04/08 08:44:14 AM To: Maureen Dosoudil<mailto:[email protected]>; yclsa-eom-forum<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena<mailto:[email protected]>; Khulu Radebe<mailto:[email protected]>; Jeff Rademeyer<mailto:[email protected]>; Dali Ramncwana<mailto:[email protected]>; Rapula Monkwe<mailto:[email protected]>; M T Ronyuza<mailto:[email protected]>; t.mpondo<mailto:[email protected]>; thulani kunene<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Pat Ntsobi<mailto:[email protected]>; Puseletso Mokone-skhosana<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Andries Mapetla<mailto:[email protected]>; alinam<mailto:[email protected]>; Solly Mapaila<mailto:[email protected]>; Dr Mako<mailto:[email protected]>; Diteko Moreotsenye<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; vuyo mhlakaza<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; bakos<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Ntombomz i Mjajubana<mailto:[email protected]>; mzukisi ronyuza<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. You are unfortunately not responding to the question that the free press you are referring to is that you parrot the views of those who pay you, the views of the rich, tell lies about Iraq, because the US MUST MURDER FOR PROFIT AND YOUR OWN MASTER'S NARROW INTERESTS!!! Shame on the agents of capitalist propaganda masquerading as a journalist. Your main duty is to convince the poor that it is in their own interest and that of society as a whole that they remain poor, because only then can social stability be guaranteed. It was the media that was supporting apartheid and today, its parading itself as some saviour of the masses. Refer to the TRC reports on the role of the media and some of these newly found "free-press" parroters. In the name of free media, they seek to annihilate the liberation movement, revolutionary forces and even more so, communism from the surface of the earth in the true rooi-gevaar style. Even though ZANU in Zimbabwe , made serious mistakes and fell for their trap, but it is true that they seek to use that situation to literally defeat the liberation movement in the whole region. Look what happened to the PAIGC in Cape Verde and Guinea Bissau, UNIP in Zambia , etc. Throughout Latin America history is telling, the latest being the Sandinistas in Nicaragua led by Daniel Ortega and how Imperialism sought to destroy them in the name of US free press, etc. A lie told many time becomes the truth, so is the media belief in hoping to hold society ransom!! ________________________________ From: Maureen Dosoudil [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:18 AM To: yclsa-eom-forum; [email protected]; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena; Khulu Radebe; Jeff Rademeyer; Dali Ramncwana; Rapula Monkwe; M T Ronyuza; t.mpondo; thulani kunene; [email protected]; [email protected]; Pat Ntsobi; Puseletso Mokone-skhosana; [email protected]; [email protected]; Andries Mapetla; alinam; Solly Mapaila; Dr Mako; Diteko Moreotsenye; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; vuyo mhlakaza; [email protected]; bakos; [email protected]; Ntombomz i Mjajubana; mzukisi ronyuza; Bongani Masuku Subject: RE: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. Try a communist/fascist society where all media is owned by the State and the citizens get indoctrinated into "group thinking" and hear/read only what the government want you to hear/read (similar to the apartheid media). Citizens are exposed to only one line of thought and are unable to think for themselves. The State or a wealthy political party (for example instead of spending millions on birthday parties, free meals and expensive hotels, consultants and workshops) can at any time produce media material to counter act the views of the free press. It is the principle of freedom of expression and freedom of the press that must be protected. You must never forget that where there is no freedom of expression the government simply steps in and shoots protesters - there is no toyi-toyi in a society without freedom of expression and then there is no free press to report the authoritarian and suppressive behaviour of government I.e. Tianaman Square amongst others. Thank goodness the ANC introduced free press, no longer can the police shoot innocent protesters, no longer can the police arrest without detention etc etc these sort of things are immediately reported by the press which was not the case in the apartheid regime - never forget that without freedom of the press you are lft with suppression of information. What is your alternative to a free press and freedom of expression - how would you propose an alternative to the media so that citizens are informed of current events? Never forget it is the capitalist countries who send millions $ of financial aid and other resources such as doctors and medicines to the poor countries (despite their anti-poor values) - or do you suggest that they should not do this? What is the alternative? We all know the problems but what are the solutions and have these solutions been tried and tested before. At the end of the day it is about creating a peaceful environment in which all citizens of the world can live in peace and harmony whilst sharing in the riches of their own nation - the problem is when the State cannot provide that environment and only members of the inner circle enjoy the riches of the country (Zimbabwe) no matter whether it is capitalist or otherwise (the former USSR). What do you have to say about the awful things the international press has to say about George Bush, about how they print photos of UK MPs in compromising situations, expose them for spending money on porn videos etc etc forcing them to resign - or is that also wrong? This has nothing to do with Zuma (who was lucky enough to receive millions of Rand from the poorest of poor to finance his legal battle which privilege is not given to the poorest of poor when a starving man steals a bag of bones to feed his family) it isn't about the individual it is about the rights of the whole population, including yours, to be able to enjoy freedom of expression. Regards Maureen -------Original Message------- From: Bongani Masuku<mailto:[email protected]> Date: 2009/04/07 04:54:51 PM To: Maureen Dosoudil<mailto:[email protected]>; yclsa-eom-forum<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena<mailto:[email protected]>; Khulu Radebe<mailto:[email protected]>; Jeff Rademeyer<mailto:[email protected]>; Dali Ramncwana<mailto:[email protected]>; Rapula Monkwe<mailto:[email protected]>; M T Ronyuza<mailto:[email protected]>; t.mpondo<mailto:[email protected]>; thulani kunene<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Pat Ntsobi<mailto:[email protected]>; Puseletso Mokone-skhosana<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Andries Mapetla<mailto:[email protected]>; alinam<mailto:[email protected]>; Solly Mapaila<mailto:[email protected]>; Dr Mako<mailto:[email protected]>; Diteko Moreotsenye<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; vuyo mhlakaza<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; bakos<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Ntombomzi Mjajubana<mailto:[email protected]>; mzukisi ronyuza<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. In a capitalist society like ours, the media are nothing but the running dogs of crony capital, parroting the most reactionary views that seeks to protect capitalism and anti-poor values. In the name of democracy, they feed the whole society with the most rightwing views. By freedom of association in such a society is meant the right of those who have money to pay their writing mercenaries, so-called journalists. It is not meant the freedom of poor people to speak against and confront the evils of capitalism, to expose the lies behind the system and freely propose an alternative system. Who determines what should be the main point of discussion in society. We are forced to discuss about some old pity-seeking fellow called the Dalai Lama, while none want us to discuss the 5.2 million Congolese who died in Congo merely for multinational companies to steal the cobalt, coltax and all the rich minerals of that country, none want us to discuss the real reasons why Somalians are still dying like flies. None of these so-called free journalists ask the relevant questions about why call North Korea to halt arms race, but allow Israel to accumulate warheads with the open supply from the US . Coming back home, the media only remembers freedom of expression when it must persecute JZ, but does not do so when we must be told what happened to Waulter Basson and all those who killed like him. Where was the so-called free media when he was freed, where was it when the settlements were made with the various agents of the former apartheid order who made arrangements with the NPA to be set free. This is the media freedom we hear trumpets about, shame! ________________________________ From: Maureen Dosoudil [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:44 PM To: yclsa-eom-forum; [email protected]; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena; Khulu Radebe; Jeff Rademeyer; Dali Ramncwana; Rapula Monkwe; M T Ronyuza; t.mpondo; thulani kunene; [email protected]; [email protected]; Pat Ntsobi; Puseletso Mokone-skhosana; [email protected]; [email protected]; Andries Mapetla; alinam; Solly Mapaila; Dr Mako; Diteko Moreotsenye; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; vuyo mhlakaza; [email protected]; Bongani Masuku; bakos; nomsh...@l esedilm.co.za; Ntombomzi Mjajubana; mzukisi ronyuza Subject: Re: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. But then Idi Amin was an authoritarian dictator who did not allow freedom of expression and did not tolerate criticism - the founding principles of democracy and essentials of the Freedom Charter. Idi Amin also spent too much time worrying about what journalists said about him and not enough time addressing issues of poverty and hardship amongst the poorest of the poor - but then who really cares what happens to the poorest of the poor as long as they vote the ruling party into power so that we can keep our comfortable jobs and flashy cars? This continual beating of the press reminds me of the "hated apartheid regime" who also curtailed freedom of expression and censored journalists - this is one of reasons why the previous regime was able to stay in power for so long - information, debate and criticism in a free press did not exist under apartheid, the people were not informed and debate not encouraged because nobody was asking questions. One of the things that the old ANC did bring to our new democracy was freedom of the press but now it seems that the new ANC has forgotten where it comes from and why - this is how Zimbabwe began - slow, insidious break down of democratic values. You do not have to agree with what you read but you have to defend the right of freedom of the press and freedom of expression - you should read Time magazine and see what was written about George Bush but not once did he attack journalists for what they wrote. This photo is a sad testament to the suppression of freedom of expression. Regards Maureen -------Original Message------- From: Mzukisi Ronyuza<mailto:[email protected]> Date: 2009/04/06 09:14:12 AM To: yclsa-eom-forum<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Colin Eglin Ngakane Mokoena<mailto:[email protected]>; Khulu Radebe<mailto:[email protected]>; Jeff Rademeyer<mailto:[email protected]>; Dali Ramncwana<mailto:[email protected]>; Rapula Monkwe<mailto:[email protected]>; M T Ronyuza<mailto:[email protected]>; t.mpondo<mailto:[email protected]>; thulani kunene<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Pat Ntsobi<mailto:[email protected]>; Puseletso Mokone-skhosana<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Andries Mapetla<mailto:[email protected]>; alinam<mailto:[email protected]>; Solly Mapaila<mailto:[email protected]>; Dr Mako<mailto:[email protected]>; Maureen Dosoudil<mailto:[email protected]>; Diteko Moreotsenye<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; vuyo mhlakaza<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; bakos<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>; Ntombomzi Mjajubana<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: WHAT IDI AMIN DID TO JOURNALISTS. Idi Amin did not what like what the journalist wrote about him which is why at some stage he rounded them up and made them kneel in front of him and make a pledge never to write what they wrote about him. I HOPE JONATHAN SHAPIRO (ZAPIRO), THE ZIONIST, WAS PART OF THEM. (See the attachment) CONFIDENTIALITY & DISCLAIMER NOTICE This message contains specific, confidential or proprietary information for exclusive use by the individual/entities to whom/which it has been addressed. If you or your company is not the intended recipient kindly notify the sender immediately. Any use or dissemination of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. The content of this message does not constitute a commitment or an offer by Ekurhuleni Metropolitan Municipality, except where expressly provided for in a written agreement. Any views and/or opinions expressed by the sender do not necessarily represent those of the Ekurhuleni Metropolitan Municipality. 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