Comrades,

I have for sometime been following closely the robust debates between and among 
comrades on the reported comments of the ANC SG about unions' strikes and what 
they mean or may mean. I have benefited a lot from frank and honest engagements 
of the revolutionary participants in this forum. Your continued engagement in 
this forum serves as another means of political education and development of 
many of us.

What I have found to very odd at times in these engagements has been the 
presumption of homogeneity of views from members of the respective 
organisations. While the Polokwane conference has been widely heralded as the 
turning point for the left movement, both internally and externally, in terms 
of the decisive resolutions and elected leadership collective, it did 
necessarily yield unanimity of views from our leadership and members generally.

Firstly, we need to appreciate that what Comrade Gwede said does not 
necessarily represent the official position of the NEC or government. That has 
been this acknowledgement in the debate, although implicitly, hence a very 
personalised criticism at times. The SG raised his views and certainly he acted 
within his own right in terms of how characterises the strikes at this point in 
time. In this context, he challenged us to look critically in the essence and 
appearance of those strikes and what message they may communicate, given the 
own left admission that it is happy with the processes so far, including the 
broadly representative class cabinet in character.

I find nothing strange in what he has raised. Perhaps some of us have not been 
kind to that but there is nothing ideologically or principally wrong in what he 
has raised. We therefore need to debate those views within the context of 
essence and appearance and justification for workers to unite in their call for 
better working conditions and improved remuneration. I am a worker myself and I 
understand the reasons behind strong feelings for such an tactic.

The second issue for me which I think problematises the context of engagements 
of other comrades is the denialist tendency that the ANC is a broad church. Our 
analysis of the first decade of democracy is that it has largely benefited the 
capital hence the growing inequalities and jobless economic growth. We 
recognised that this had been so through the 1996 class project that elevated 
the ruling class to position of benefit from government procurement and other 
democratic gains.

Part of this beneficiation is attributable to the fact the capital was dominant 
in the ANC at the time. But it did not mean that the ANC was for the ruling 
class. Even at the time, our Strategy and Tactics had identified the working 
class and the poor among the motive forces of the revolution. But to what 
extend did these accrue benefits?

The Polokwane watershed conference never made the ANC a socialist organisation. 
The ANC remains a broad church that continues to the disciplined force of the 
left. It is neither socialist nor communist. It is not capitalist either. This 
character is in terms of the conference resolutions and we need to respect 
those decisions. The left has the space within both the ANC and in government 
to strategically advance views and programmes that are to the benefit of the 
left. This however, still, does not make the ANC a left organisation.

The third issue for me, which is a cause for concern, is the growing tendency 
to confuse membership of alliance partners and resort to labelling as a 
recourse. It is important for us to recognise and embrace the fact that the ANC 
membership has its own independent membership. COSATU and SACP are alliance 
partners of the ANC, with appreciation of the fact most of their members are 
equally members of the ANC. But it appears anything that comes from the ANC is 
not benefitting the revolution and that perception is not useful in terms of 
our revolution. Members of the ANC must be allowed their space to raise their 
views as the constitution gives them that credence.

The strategic support of the alliance partners is appreciated and requisite for 
total liberation of our people but any form of potential abuse should be 
averted. We need to respect the views of the ANC much as we respect the views 
of both SACP and COSATU. I am uncertain whether a genuine individual opinion 
qualifies one not to be a communist anymore. Labelling, for me, is a depiction 
of intolerance at best and tends to be counter revolutionary at worst if not 
properly managed and dealt with.

I am therefore calling on comrades to disentangle ourselves from the labelling 
trap. Let us preoccupy ourselves with issues and appreciate the constance of 
the need for our revolutionary vigilance against interruption of the 
revolution. But this vigilance has to be within the context of appreciation of 
diversity of views.

In conclusion, I think that recent calls by SANCO and SAMMU in North West for 
resignation of the ANC SG as well as the recent COSATU position on the terms of 
President Jacob Zuma also serve to strengthen my point on the growing tendency 
to over-take ANC membership on matters that affect the ANC. Why raise an issue 
that is so moot, given the history of the movement, and proceed to say it not 
open for discussion? Isn't that an imposition? Why couldn't the ANC impose 
itself on COSATU that it must release Comrade Vavi to government?     

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alex M. Mashilo
Sent: 06 June 2009 06:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Gwede Mantashe a Disapointment to the 
Workersand the Poor

We must engage the ANC through structures. This is more than ever correct. But 
the SACP medium Term Vision (MTV) has got a good lesson for us. Among the 
centres of power that the MTV finds critical in this and any future stage of 
our revolution is the ideological terrain. Once any of our formations of the 
working class are attacked in public, through the media, like the ANC would do, 
we must respond in public, through the media. 

 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Mamphekgo,Steve (GPDPR) [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Fri 6/5/2009 1:50 PM 
To: [email protected] 
Cc: 
Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Gwede Mantashe a Disapointment to the 
Workersand the Poor



        Cde President (Sabelo) you are quite right. We need to turn the ANC 
into a “disciplined force of the left”, that is able to champion the interests 
of the working class, as the motive force of the National Democratic 
Revolution. This is the logical course of struggle we must continue to pursue 
within the ANC and broader mass democratic movement. I am saying logical course 
of our revolution because I am one of those who do not subscribe to the notion 
of the ANC being the broad church. We need to unapologetically entrench the 
working class hegemony within the ANC by participating in all its structures 
and contesting the content of its revolutionary agenda. We cannot arrogantly 
expect this to come on a silver platter, but we must lobby and campaign for 
this hegemony, without necessarily alienating those who sympathize with our 
course. I am not sure whether to agree with the approach of using “all legally 
permissible channels”, because I do not think that we can regulate our 
comradely relationship through legal channels. This is the tendency that 
emerged post-Polokwane whereby we have witnessed comrades such as TM and others 
running to the courts of law for a legal recourse against the ANC and their own 
comrades. We must continue to engage through the structures of our movement, 
including the ANC, Party and COSATU, to contest the content of our struggle 
agenda and continue to persuade one another. In case of disputes or 
disagreements, our movement provides organizational recourse to resolve such, 
not necessarily the courts of law.

         

        
  _____  


        From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of sabelo gina
        Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:01 PM
        To: [email protected]
        Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Gwede Mantashe a Disapointment to the 
Workers and the Poor

         

        Hi Comrades,

         

        I want to begin by saying that we want the ANC that is a "disciplined 
force of the left". The contemporary question should then say, Post- Polokwane, 
have we achieved that in a manner that we want. My answer will be no, we must 
continue to use all legaly permissible  channels to mobilise for the hegemony 
of the working class agenda in the ANC through active participation in the 
structures of the ANC.

         

        Numsa is happy that COSATU CEC was persuaded to make this campaign, a 
Federation campaign. We also know that the Governor will meet NUMSA leadership 
on 15 June 2009 in the offices wheer he refused to come out and receive the 
memorandum.

         

        I thank you,

         

        Sabelo Gina.

        On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Mamphekgo,Steve (GPDPR) 
<[email protected]> wrote:

        I fully concur with comrade Kanego and Morgan on this matter. I think 
that there is high level of arrogance prevailing amongst some of us, as 
comrades, which creates a wrong impression that we have got sole title deed 
over this revolution. We need to begin to engage each other in an honest and 
comradely manner, and remain principled cadres throughout the course of our 
struggle. I do not completely share the sentiments expressed by Cde Gwede 
during the NUMSA Conference, but I believe that we must remain sober in 
addressing what we think to be wrong amongst ourselves, particularly as 
communists and members of the ANC. Two wrongs will never make right. It doesn’t 
help to use this platform galling Cde Gwede as though we are dealing with some 
counter-revolutionary. Let us use our organizational structures and platforms 
in addressing the discontent we may have about one another.  Let us accord Cde 
Gwede the necessary respect primarily as one of us, a comrade, one of the 
leaders of our revolution, senior leader of both the ANC and SACP.

         

        Chill maqabane!  

         

        
  _____  


        From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of morgan phaahla
        Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 8:45 AM 

        
        To: [email protected]
        Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Gwede Mantashe a Disapointment to the 
Workers and the Poor

         

Well said comrade and I wish everyone could take cue from your earnest appeal 
to recognise common variants of our movement led by the ANC. 

 

We always preach collectivism but when practised we cry foul and question the 
bona fide of the messenger. Let's practice what we preach in principle - not by 
preference or selectively. I trust cde Kanego has brought finality to this 
debate, unless otherwise there's an exigency.

 

I remain,

Morgan Phaahla

"Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe 
Slovo

--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Kanego, Clarence Thete <[email protected]> wrote:

        
        From: Kanego, Clarence Thete <[email protected]>
        Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: Gwede Mantashe a Disapointment to the 
Workers and the Poor
        To: [email protected]
        Date: Thursday, June 4, 2009, 4:01 PM

        Your views on Cde Gwede are flawed and a disrespect to a real Communist 
and Cadre. The African National Congress is not the SACP nor COSATU so Cde 
Gwede cannot be expected to be the Chairperson of SACP in the capacity of the 
Secretary General of the ANC. I repeat myself on this matter, ask Cde Gwede in 
a meeting of the SACP about his view on the issue he will tell you what the 
SACP stand is on the matter of strikes. We will be fooled to expect Cde Gwede 
to echo the SACP stand in the capacity of ANC. This also reflects that we may 
be influential in terms of policy thrust of the ANC as the leading partner of 
the Tripartite Alliance, however we are not yet the strongest dominating force 
hence there are contradicting forces within this movement.  

        On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:55 PM, NT Zwane <[email protected] 
<http://us.mc502.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > wrote:

        
        Cadres
        
        Revolutionary greetings.
        
        What is Cde Gwede doing It doesn't even sound well anymore if I call
        him a cadre or comrade. I thought he was a unionist and a communist
        now he really showed the workers where his loyalty is situated. The
        workers are not the ones who started or created this economic crisis,
        no as Alex Mashilo says this Capitalist Crisis. How can one of our own
        come with this Stalinist tendencies of silencing workers.
        
        Gwede Mantashe must apologise to the workers and to the members of the
        Party. Workers are engaged in a permannet revolution, Comrades should
        not abandon the working class at the convenience of the cruel, evil
        Capitalist as one of my cadres said when i engaged him on this matter.
        
        If Gwede Mantashe really respects SACP which is the vanguard of the
        working class and the  workers themselves he must withdraw this
        uncalled for statement.
        
        I was really impressed by cde Blade and Vavi when they showed where
        their loyalty is situated. A true communist will never sell out the
        masses like what Gwede Mantashe is doing. He is feeling comfortable at
        Luthuli House and he has forgotten how badly and cruel the workers are
        being treated at the work place. How can one forget so fast I wonder
        if he still keeps the Marxist and Leninist classics in his office or
        house or now he is reading ADAM SMITH and HOW TO GET RICH QUICKER AND
        EASIER THROUGH EXPLOITATION OF WORKERS.
        
        Let us not comrades compromise the workers, ANC spoke of decent jobs
        before the election, and now when workers want to strike to protect
        this none decent jobs Mr Capitalist and former Communist Gwede
        Mantashe comes and insult them in their gathering it is really
        suprisng how a communist and a unionist can fastly forget the
        challenges that workers are facing day in day out at the work place.
        
        Amandla cadres this are just my views.
        
        
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