Comrades, In relation to the discussion, let's read chapter 2 of Communist Manifesto on Proletarians and Communists, and develop a position on this issue. Here is the link, http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm So far there is no dissenting view, except VC's only point of difference. Otherwise he must give in, by the force of circumstances, to be part of the whole. Kindest regards Morgan Phaahla
"Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: POLITICAL NOTES PRESENTED BY CDE MASONDO To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 4:42 AM Comrade Mduduzi, What is difficult is that you are trying to hold a bourgeois concept of the State and a revolutionary understanding of it in your head at one and the same time. Unfortunately, if you cannot see the difference, you will tend to fall to the bourgeois side. I'm sorry to be so blunt about this but when you write "Much as the state is according to Lenin "an organ of oppression", it can be progressive if policies taken in parliament are pro poor," you must know that you are doing something terrible. Because if people do not know better, they can think from what you have written that Lenin thought that Parliament "can be progressive if policies taken in parliament are pro poor," whereas nothing could be further from the truth. I think the best remedy for you and for others is to read Lenin's "The State and Revolution". It is very direct and quite easy to read and it is relevant. In Chapter 3, section 3, "Abolition of Parliamentarism" Lenin quotes Marx as calling bourgeois parliamentarism a "pigsty". In struggle, VC Mduduzi H Vilakazi wrote: Cadres, The debate is too difficult for some of us. It needs the highest level of analysis and some basic background of the alliance. I would be happy to start at the beginning of the debate. Cde David raised some sharp discussions on the independence of the party within the reconfigured alliance. Put differently, he questioned the big brother approach where the ANC remains the only vehicle to state power. This approach questions the hegemony of one party over the others within the alliance. Set aside these structures, you have all of these structures operating their own constitutions that guide their everyday organizational activities. They hold their different conferences which translates into different resolutions. It therefore becomes imperative that activities of the structures of the various organisations in the alliance will be measured by their separate resolutions. The fact that one alliance partner is interested in discussions and decisions of the other alliance partners does not mean these structures becomes one. they still remain separate. For this reason, I concur with comrade Masondo that the resolutions of the Party shall independently find expression in activities of the state. This can only happen when the reconfiguration will clearly mean that the Party will in its own right recall its members who functions contrary to the resolutions, traditions and ideology of the Party. This will save the Party from having members who deliberately side with the bourgeoisie (other than tactical) on policies of the state and hide with democratic centralism. Much as the state is according to Lenin "an organ of oppression", it can be progressive if policies taken in parliament are pro poor. This will not come as a silver platter, it needs some strategic "mode of entry" different from the one where the ANC holds the power of members of the Party with regards to caucus, recalling and deployment. I agree with the views of Phaahla and Masondo on moving forward. Marxism cannot remain dogma. The current situation needs current analysis that will provide current solutions to current problems. I pause. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
