I know it's been a while and you might think that we are not reading as we are not all participating in writing in most cases. I always read and educate myself through this forum and learn something new every day, as a young communist I even learn on how to analyse the way people smuggle their views and how to respond at times. But, I must say that at times I find it very strange when I read some of the contributions made by other comrades, where people will just come out of nowhere and dismiss other people's view instead of coming clean in raising their own concerns. However, I understand that it's "open sesame" and every one is an titled to his/her views as we are bound to agree vs. disagree.
Understanding that this forum is meant for us to engage and educate one another politically so; I would like to appeal from experienced cadres like VC to educate some of us on how to shift focus and introduce new debate which will provoke thoughts without any tendencies of labeling and undermining other people's view. I still do not think that YCLSA can create a platform or forum of this nature just for comrades to lambast on one another rather than to debate constructively. Much as I am aware of the fact that comrades may perhaps come up with topic (s) which might not sound friendly to others but I think the manner in which cadres introduce matters of their concern that affects us all in this forum is important. To some of us everything that seem to have negative impact towards the lives of the working class and the poor in particular becomes crucial and open for discussion and this forum is one of the tools employed by YCLSA so as to allow us to share and air our views in building one another. By the way, in a class struggle anything is bound to be discussed even the manner in which we approach things (how one articulates); however we need to be careful not to allow bourgeoisie tendencies to cloud our discussion. The fact that someone was not around or find not interesting to partake in a certain debate does not qualify him/her to undermine other people's effort in making this forum effective. If you disagree on a specific debate, share your opinion in a way that will not limit and insult others. If someone wants us to debate International Matters bring them on board and comrades will share their take on the issue. Issues of service delivery we debate them every day in this forum and in most cases workable solutions are provided. I am starting to question myself on the number of people that participates in this forum because a communist child will never attack another but rather assist and give political guidance. As communist, the approach is very key because our aim is not to destroy. I remain, NOKUTHULA NQABA TEL: 021 465 3570/5513 FAX: 021 465 7956 CELL: 083 762 9893 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Beddowes Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 5:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Left-Wing Babies & Petty Discussions -- Ian Beddowes Having fairly recently come fro Zimbabwe, where there are huge issues of class, race, imperialism and Pan-Africanism, I am gobsmacked by the waste of time spent in this forum by discussions on motor cars and other trivia. There are major issues such as rural development, illegal evictions and education for which we need to find solutions -- and that is only in South Africa. There are further issues, hardly touched on, as to why, 15 years into democracy, has a South African President only now visited Angola, which provided bases for MK at a massive cost to the Angolan people? Why did COSATU try to block the Zimbabwean border in solidarity with the Anglo-American Axis? Why, when the South African struggle was assisted by neighbouring countries, do South Africans, more especially those who claim to be Marxists, want to eat alone? The only person who I have heard speak out publicly on these issues is President Jacob Zuma in the speech he made at last years MK Commemoration in Bloemfontein -- if ther are others -- I will be interested to hear more. Pan-Africanism is not for the PAC only. Most of all, I am horrified by the lack of kowledge on the Second Congo War, the biggest war since World War 2 in terms of the loss of human lives. But after all they were only Makwerekwere, and its far more important for South Africans to discuss whether or not a minister spent too much on a car. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
