sorry comrade, im writing my branch report for SASCO, so ive got BEC's NEC's REC's PEC's on my brain. i will proof read in future
On Nov 12, 10:43 am, "Samson Zondi" <[email protected]> wrote: > Cde Lee even though minor mistakes (such as NEC since the Party does not > have such rather it has: Central Committee) might de-legitimize our > argument but I fully agree with. You see failure to prevent minor > mistakes has- in my view- led these comrades to reach a wrong conclusion > i.e. the deploying the GS was unconstitutional. > > The objective and slow reading of the that very same clause indicates > that the CC decides on the tasks assigned to the GS. And the last time, > I checked the CC even issued a statement to this effect. So debating > this issue is- for me- arrogance at best and at worse ignorance > (camouflaged as constructive criticism). > > "Thetha Nzimande, Thetha Komanisi...Thina Sithwele Kanzima:" (loosly > translated to Bua (Speak) Nzimande, Speal Communist...We are suffering) > > Defense for the GS Equal the For the Working Class Struggle. > > T.S. Zondi > > >>> Brendan Lee <[email protected]> 11/12/2009 10:06 AM >>> > > comrade i feel you have missed the point. > the constitution notes that full time is defined by CC. Now if you > want to say the constitution was ignored, who would you like to start > disciplinary action against.... the whole NEC maybe? just the people > you don't like? > in my view a communist shouldn't be rich, i i think it a good idea > that GS does not accept a party wage, but that is his decision based > on the party members vocalizations and his own voice, it should not be > sugar coated in a false guise about an apparent debt to an > institution. > > we are duty bound to defend he constitution, yet often in the media i > hear very un-communist remarks come from Communists mouthes that is in > violation of democratic centralism, that is a much more imporant issue > then the working hours of our GS. > > in closing i have read VC's remarks closely and he focuses on an > important issue, which is that a communist must be involved in the > mass movement, this is something lenin spoke very clearly on and s > represented in our constitution very strongly. VC argues that he is > working full time as he is engageing in party work in line with this > idea in the constitution. > i would much rather see my GS engaged working class issues rather then > sitting in an office preaching marx and having no concrete engagement > with the working class. > > remember we are a vanguard party, not because we define ourselves as > such, but because we earn the right to call ourselves that based on > our ability to lead and analyze our political situation based on > marxist leninist tools of analysis. you can't lead from the back, you > must lead from the front, and our GS is at the front. > > long live the SACP > forward with the struggle for socialism > > Brendan Lee > > On Nov 10, 9:49 pm, abisael Mohahabe <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Comrades > > > Cde VC, This time you have lost it and missed the gist of the debate > big > > time - the matter that is raised by Cde Mdu/Lebese is very much > correct, we > > must debate internally and have a political solution to it, > primarily > > because this issue has got far more reaching implications - A leader > that is > > elected on a fulltime position is paid a monthly salary by the > organisation > > - does this implication seek to suggest that the GS is getting two > salaries > > against the backdrop that the working class is under siege due to > global > > capitalism meltdown. > > > the constitution of the Party must be defended its bigger than all of > us, we > > are duty bound to defend it because we are principled and we > understand and > > respect the application of principles. If others debate on the basis > of > > personality and egos, then they are not principled enough to hold the > much > > respected position of the VC in the communist university. > > > Amandla > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:26 PM, yclsa-eom-forum group < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > YCLSA Discussion Forum > > >http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum?hl=en > > > > [email protected] > > > > Today's topics: > > > > * Blade 'safe from drunk > > dreamers', Buti Manamela, Times - 12 > messages, 10> > authors > > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum/t/6d3a38653ca08bd6?hl=en > > > > * An Opening in Consciousness! - 1 messages, 1 author > > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum/t/f9cf6ad2b5d62614?hl=en > > > > * MoH Advisory Committee on NHI, appointments - 1 messages, 1 > author > > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum/t/cdccca56485a2971?hl=en > > > > =========================================================================== > === > > > > TOPIC: Blade 'safe from drunk dreamers', Buti Manamela, Times > > >http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum/t/6d3a38653ca08bd6?hl=en > > =========================================================================== > === > > > > > > > > == 1 of 12 == > > > Date: Mon, Nov 9 2009 9:35 am > > > From: Dominic Tweedie > > > > Cde Clarence, > > > > You are trying to tell us that the only reason you want to have a > > > debate about the words "full time" at the Special National Congress > is > > > just so that you can reaffirm your support for Cde Blade? > > > > In England they would say "Pull the other one, it's got bells on." > > > > Maybe Ian Beddowes can explain that for you. > > > > I suspect that if you go around telling people in South Africa > that > > > you want to debate the meaning of "full time" just so as to show > your > > > loyalty to Blade Nzimande, then you are going to make some people > > > laugh, but if you push your luck too far, some of them might get > quite > > > annoyed with you. > > > > I think you should keep your dreams to yourself in this case. > > > > Yours in struggle, > > > > Domza. > > > > On 09/11/2009, Kanego, Clarence Thete <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > VC > > > > > In am seriously disaapointed in you Domza. The questions which > are asked > > > by > > > > Comrade Mdu are as innocent as they expose the technicality of > what we > > > > assertion as the YCLSA and others including yourself that Cde > Blade > > > Nzimande > > > > should and will continue as the GS of the SACP. Cde Domza it does > not > > > > require any deep understanding of the Polemics or Classics of > Marx to > > > > understand that the Constitution says that the postion of the GS > is a > > > full > > > > time. The question that follows then will be what are the > limitations or > > > > implications of this position being fulltime whereas its occupant > holds > > > > another postion that is full time as well? Cde Domza, I have > never seen > > > any > > > > of your writtings become so shallow as what you have gave as > responses. > > > What > > > > makes matters worse is that all what you have said is that the > debate > > > should > > > > not exist in the first place and I do not agree. We have been > the > > > frontiers > > > > of struggle against anyone who suppresses debates in the movement > we > > > should > > > > act like one! > > > > > Comrades, why don't we find out as to what happened to the > People's > > > Republic > > > > of Cuba when Cde Fidel was President and General Secretary of > the > > > Communist > > > > Party of Cuba? How does the Communist Party of China handles this > matter? > > > My > > > > take is that we are not waging a constitutional struggle here, we > are > > > waging > > > > a class struggle. So the constitutionality of the matter can be > handled. > > > Our > > > > struggle for power of the state resonates well with our GS being > a > > > minister > > > > in the state. That is the angle I bring on this debate. > > > > Lets debate! > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Dominic Tweedie > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > >> Cde Mduduzi, > > > > >> I think that what you are indulging in is what is called > sophistry. I > > > can > > > >> happily use that word because I am sure when you were taught how > to > > > debate > > > >> you would have been taught what sophistry is. > > > > >> I think that this sophistry of going to Turfloop to discover > what is the > > > >> meaning of "full time" has been exposed. That is never going to > be the > > > >> agenda of the Special National Congress. > > > > >> You are trying to catch > > Dr Blade with a hook made of rubber. > > > > > > > > >> You will not succeed. > > > > >> Yours in struggle, > > > > >> Domza, > > > > >> VC > > > > >> 2009/11/9 Mduduzi H Vilakazi <[email protected]> > > > > >> Cde Lebese, > > > > >>> I was taught how to debate and have deliberately shy away from > > > mentioning > > > >>> time because I understood what it meant. None of my posting has > time, > > > so > > > >>> please chief, do not debate from the premise of your too > forward mind. > > > > >>> If anyone can be able to let me know what fulltime mean as > enshrined > > > (not > > > >>> in any constitution but) in the constitution of the SACP. I > still > > > remain > > > >>> that the debate to me is not on changing the GS. It is rather > on our > > > >>> understanding of fulltime. > > > > >>> So, if your wondering mind provides you with wrong > > interpretation of my > > > > > > >>> posting, then do not attribute such statements or paranoia to > me. I > > > >>> remain > > > >>> with the belief that should comrade blade be multi tasking and > not be > > > >>> fulltime as an official then he is unconstitutionally occupying > that > > > >>> office. > > > > >>> I therefore request anyone who can interpret the constitution > different > > > >>> from my interpretation to provide such. I will not change my > views on > > > >>> peoples love for labelling. I have undergone many frustrating > moments > > > and > > > >>> I > > > >>> am able to stand my ground until convinced otherwise. Why dont > comrades > > > >>> learn to debate issues not persons. > > > > >>> As it stands, the constitution should be amended or comrade > Blade be > > > >>> replaced. We should not be so irrational by ignoring the > meaning of > > > >>> constitutional implications in this regard. > > > > >>> I remain. > > > > >>> >>> "Lebese OE" <[email protected]> 09/11/2009 15:55 >>> > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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