I think we have lost the plot. The debate has been personalised. In fact,opportunists are usin it to expres the personal issues that they have with Majuju. To wrongs dont make a rite except if u multiply them. If people hav a serious problem with majuju,they must raise at proper structures and not wait 4 a conflict to take advantage of. When the president of ancyl intervened @ uofs for the reitz case,comrades from free state were conspicuously silent about the problems they had with his intervention,now they are sayin he sold out coz it suits them. Whats that? Its hypocrisy of the highest order. When Cde Blade Nzimande,a hero of the poor workin class, spent a million of taxpayer's money to purchase an expensive german sedan,comrades kept quiet,bt now Floyd is chastised as havin sold out. Does buyin a german sedan with your own money suggest a change of ideology? Lets tackle the issues and not the person. Lets deal with facts,and put emotions aside. Nationalisation is the issue. A re bueng. A se khulume
On 11/26/09, morgan phaahla <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear cadres, > > I concur with cde Sikhumbuzo, populist theories that bear no relation to > reality are doomed to failure. Nationalisation of mines has no empirical > evidence of yielding desired results under the circumstances. Noting that > there is no end of recession in sight for the mining sector amid a stronger > rand causing export slump on mining and manufacturing output levels. > > For instance, the monthly information regarding the mining industry on the > basis of mining production figures and mineral sales furnished by the > Department of Mineral Resources paints a different picture in terms of the > state of the mines in the country vis-a-vis mining operation's continued > losses leaving judicial management as the only appropriate course of action > for struggling mines to take in the face of the combined negative impact of > circumstances beyond the control of management - not to mention BEE > beneficiaries and workers being at the receiving end. Let alone that > legislation was used to force mining houses to sell equity to well-connected > few without entrepreneurial skills, and struck BEE transactions without > economic substance. > > It's no secret those deals committed an act of insolvency and thereby > exposing the trading entities to liquidation. That's why government cannot > introduce nationalisation programme to carry the financial burdens of the > distressed mining entities who failed to deliver any demonstrative net value > in the hands of black people. It will never happen, government cannot to use > limited resources to ward off expected losses of struggling mines which > never benefitted ordinary people. > > I therefore submit that we cannot nationalise the mines, under the > circumstances, precisely because it will not only be a costly exercise but > unsustainable and destructive for a developmental state. There is no room > for a trial and error experiments which do not take into account the > socio-economic imperatives in the country. > > Remain comradely, > Morgan Phaahla > Ekurhuleni > > "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe > Slovo > > --- On Wed, 11/25/09, Sikhumbuzo Thomo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Sikhumbuzo Thomo <[email protected]> > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: The YCLSA Gauteng’s response to attacks on > YCLSA and SACP leaders by one Julius Malema > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 12:05 PM > > > > Comrades > > When class project structured its BEE deals in the Mandela Squares and > exquisite restaurants with whites who then robbed them and sold them empty > pit holes then they come shout NATIONALISE! > > When the Tokyo's and Mbeki's albeit through the likes of Patrice's and co > did their things in boardrooms our people were not there, so please comrade > our people should not be taken for a free ride! > > Why all those that claim to be calling for the nationalisation of mines dont > mention Oppenhimers or Rupert's of this world in their screaming insults? > > What we need to do is unravel all the BEE deals before our peoples resources > must be used to bail out shams of greed that nearly obliterated the ANC. Let > the public know the truth before its funds are used to buy over these empty > holes! > > This too is the same for financial sector deals that the banks allegadly > financed under the giuse BEE, DIE WAAR MOET UIT COM JELLE! > > Where and how in the world make half a billion annually in the world without > involvement in the production line like Smuts Ngoyama? Before we all get > excited about this very undefined Nationalisation and act all communist, > when in actually they are defending their recession struck wealth with our > peoples resources! > > I would like to see whom among these false prophets that can dare this naked > truth! > > ST > > > > On 11/25/09, Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> wrote: > Ratebogo!!! > > I would like to you respond on the nonsence that the YCL does not have a > programme of its own and membership. This is where you should start because > it is primarily this that we have responded to. Your assistance without > touching on this amounts to no assistance at all. At best it is a confusion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wed 2009/11/25 02:03 > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Re: The YCLSA Gauteng's response to > attacks on YCLSA and SACP leaders by one Julius Malema > > > > > Cde cronin was quite disjointed and episodic with regards to the > attack on > the youth league let us pehaps assist the ycl provincial secretary > because > he seems to want to be on a political podium i do not for which > contest > cause clearly this is not ideological this mixit and facebook > behaviour is > out of order. > > Cde cronin said " the youth league want the mines to be nationalised > because they are obssesed with bling". Now that is an insult to the > entire > ANCYL body now because members of the youth league are disciplined we > know > thatwe cannot all of us respond at once therefore the head of the > movement > took centre stage and proteced the image of all ANCyl members. > > There is nothing wrong when a leader of the movements protects its > image > cde jeremey did not expect us to just smile i do not doubt his > political > maturity surely he knew waht he was getin himself into when he > uttered > those statement while we do not condone the public spats by our cdes > we > will not keep quite when a cde is ou of order i think this matter > should > be dealt with over a glass of tea and political class nothing > mischivous > meant by both parties these differences have existed for a long time > other > comrades should not tkae dvantage of the situation for thei persobal > popularity and gain. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > You are subscribed. 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