Comrade Thulani, I haven't recieved anything...Can you resend your response.
Comradely regards, Xoli On 12/10/09, thulani kunene <[email protected]> wrote: > On 12/8/09, Xoli Dlabantu <[email protected]> wrote: >> Mzukuru, >> "Many philosophers have interpreted the world.The point however is how >> to change it"(Karl Marx) >> The main problem I seem to have with the document is over elaboration >> on the material than on the ideal. The character over the formulation. >> The material over the dialectic, and it doesn't assist anyone with >> linking the present and the future. >> It inhabits on the causes of the present status quo and not on the >> remedy of the effects. >> Okay, lets assume that everyone is aware of the CST developmental path >> as is expected of any member of the party as a working class vanguard. >> So what...What next...How ? Are we talking about state socialism or a >> pluralistic socialist path... >> >> In the South African context, no rural development strategy ( not >> agricultural development strategy) will ever be relevant without: >> 1) creating an appropriate rural-urban balance, >> 2) Exansion of small-scale, labour intensive industries in the the >> rural areas(that is why it is dangerous to limit rural development to >> agriculture) >> 3) Elimination of factor-price distortions from the IDZs' >> 4) Choosing of appropriate labour-intensive technologies of production >> in the rural areas, >> 5) Modifying the direct linkage between education and employment, and >> 6) Reducing population growth through reductions in absolute poverty >> and inequality, particularly women, along with the expanded provision >> of family planning and rural health services. >> >> SACP documents recently are unfortunately characterised by very broad >> analyses that lack specifics and leave little room for delegation and >> mandate. They are more of guidelines than actual socialist >> transitional programmes. Again if i may ask, what's socialist about >> this document.ewhat do we hope to achieve with it. what does it unlock >> creatively. >> >> Coradely regards reciprocated >> Comrade Xoli >> >> Please read my document on NIDS from Communist University or google my >> name (Xoli Dlabantu) >> On 12/7/09, Sikhumbuzo Thomo <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Dear Xoli >>> >>> >>> >>> It is always necessary to look at agricultural development in a *broad, >>> comprehensive way*. It is not sufficient to deal with the agro-technical >>> aspects only or for the party to restrict itself to the ‘prime movers’ >>> going. Agricultural development will not take-off automatically if we >>> only >>> redistribute land, much more is need. Peasants and farm workers are not >>> automatically better off either when agricultural products get unhindered >>> access to markets abroad. In order to promote agricultural and rural >>> development in a sustainable, equitable and human centered way, policies >>> have to be formulated and implemented concurrently at all levels form >>> local >>> to national even globally, while taking cognizance of a context which is >>> much wider than agriculture alone. >>> >>> >>> >>> A good analytical instrument is a pre-requisite for taking well-informed >>> decisions and the discussion document shows the model. Now no where in >>> the >>> world where a developing country like ours where capitalism was forced >>> onto >>> a backward feudal system (let alone the land grab by the colonialist) in >>> a >>> distorted manner has agricultural production possessed its own dynamic >>> transformation and growth! It is essentially dependent on and constrained >>> by >>> external factors. >>> >>> >>> >>> The incomplete subordination of non-capitalist forms of production by >>> capitalism is manifested in our economic dualism. There is a co-existence >>> of >>> mutually interrelated segments of the labour force (a) a majority that is >>> engaged in dynamic activities propelled by the capitalist imperative for >>> accumulation and (b) a majority which is trapped in non-capitalist forms >>> of >>> production and engaged in low productivity economic pursuits that are >>> static >>> from the point of accumulation. >>> >>> >>> >>> All said the majority of the labour force in this sector is engaged in >>> the >>> so-called informal sector of the economy, primarily of the survival >>> nature, >>> in subsistence agriculture! In general there is a high level of >>> unemployment >>> and under-employment in this sector, an enclaved development so to speak >>> which the document goes at length decomposing this mode for the benefit >>> of >>> the political redress which should by no means be separated form the land >>> question as well as the economic within the agrarian resolve. >>> >>> >>> >>> ST >>> >>> On 12/7/09, Xoli Dlabantu <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Comrades, >>>> What is communist with the rural development document? I for one do >>>> not see it as a means to a socialist end. Frankly speaking, it lacks >>>> the dialectics component, though it might be fair in outlining the >>>> materilialist part. We should remember that socialist transformation >>>> of a capitalist society is a pre-determined phenomenon and as such, we >>>> cannot be fooled. We've yet to see a true transitional rural >>>> development strategy, not chalatancy. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Xoli >>>> >>>> On 12/6/09, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > The SACP Rural Development Discussion Document (click here for a PDF >>>> > download from the SACP web site), released in advance of the SACP >>>> > Special >>>> > National Congress of December 2009, succeeds quite well, in the first >>>> four >>>> > of its five parts, to make a sympathetic and factual narrative that >>>> depicts >>>> > the plight of the South African rural areas. >>>> > >>>> > As such, it can be contrasted and compared with the remainder of the >>>> > Communist University Generic Course on “Development, Rural and Urban”, >>>> > of >>>> > which it now becomes, for the time being, the final part. >>>> > >>>> > It is in the fifth and final three pages (1198 words), called “Our >>>> response >>>> > to rural development”, that this discussion document falls apart in >>>> > spectacular fashion. >>>> > >>>> > What a communist document should do above all is to concretise, >>>> > meaning >>>> that >>>> > it should bring all of the empirical, abstract facts and circumstances >>>> into >>>> > the ordered, organic form of a unity-and-struggle-of-opposites, that >>>> shows >>>> > clearly the internal dynamic of the system under examination. >>>> > >>>> > Only then can communists, as such, speak of communist intervention in >>>> > a >>>> > system. >>>> > >>>> > Instead, this document ponders whether there may be “gaps” that need >>>> > to >>>> be >>>> > filled, and then it proceeds to offer a long, eclectic, bullet-pointed >>>> > shopping list of things that might be done. >>>> > >>>> > Communists should not be trying to work this way (i.e. filling gaps). >>>> > >>>> > The concluding paragraph of the document includes a disclaimer: “Due >>>> > to >>>> the >>>> > enormity of the task not all areas regarding all the issues raised in >>>> this >>>> > paper could be exhaustively dealt with.” >>>> > >>>> > This is an admission by the author that his or her conception of Rural >>>> > Development is disorderly and not synthetic or concrete. This is not >>>> > good >>>> > enough as preparation for a policy-forming debate. >>>> > >>>> > The following paragraph, full of conceptual errors, is a good >>>> > indication >>>> of >>>> > where the comrade is going wrong: >>>> > >>>> > “As a starting point and a short-term strategy towards linking >>>> > industrial >>>> > strategy, the economic policy and agrarian and land reform programme >>>> > referred to above, there are some things that can be done to improve >>>> > land >>>> > and agrarian reform approaches and strategies.” >>>> > >>>> > A strategy is not a starting point; a strategy works towards a goal, >>>> > or >>>> > end-point. >>>> > >>>> > Strategy is not short-term, but long-term; tactics are short-term >>>> > means >>>> to >>>> > the strategic, longer-term end. >>>> > >>>> > “Strategies”, in any particular case, are not plural, but singular; >>>> > there >>>> > might be many possible tactical roads to take, but the strategic goal >>>> should >>>> > be one. >>>> > >>>> > These are unfortunately quite common errors within our South African >>>> > discourse. >>>> > >>>> > As for Rural Development in particular, South Africa seems to lack >>>> scholars >>>> > who are prepared to study experience elsewhere. The logo above >>>> > represents >>>> > one of thousands of Rural Development agencies and institutions around >>>> the >>>> > world that are apparent on the Internet. It is from the Government of >>>> > Karnataka, Rural Development and Panchayat Raj Department. Karnataka >>>> > is >>>> > a >>>> > state in India. >>>> > >>>> > As overseas, so also within the country, there is a large amount of >>>> > experience, which is not apparent in the discussion document. >>>> > >>>> > The document, without supporting argument, is finally concluded with >>>> > an >>>> > admirable slogan: Build People’s Land Committees, Build People’s >>>> > Power! >>>> > >>>> > Yet, after nearly 16 years since the democratic breakthrough of 1994, >>>> > and >>>> > after 20 years of restored communist legality in South Africa, our >>>> > sole >>>> > discussion document on Rural Development has no mention of any actual >>>> > People’s Land Committees, or of any organic intellectuals leading such >>>> > committees. >>>> > >>>> > Although a moment’s thought recalls that the Food and Agriculture >>>> Workers’ >>>> > Union (FAWU), which contains many Party members, is involved at the >>>> > rural >>>> > grass roots, and that the SACP itself with its 96,000 members includes >>>> many >>>> > in rural areas, yet there is no account of our practical political >>>> > experience in this document. >>>> > >>>> > Click on this link: >>>> > >>>> > SACP Rural Development Discussion Document, 2009(4915 words) >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You are subscribed. 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