Dear Cde Tsembeyi,
What do you think is the difference between the nationalisation of a
mine and the nationalisation of a watch? I would like to know.
While you are about it, please can you explain what is the difference
between the nationalisation of a mine and the nationalisation of any
other "wealthy and entrepreneurial" business that you can think of?
Allow me to tell you what I was previously taught on this latter
question. I was taught that "South Africa's Mineral Resources" like
those of all other countries, have no value at all unless and until
they are dug out of the ground by workers, in the country, meaning in
South Africa in this case.
It is the workers who add all the value, and only the workers.
You may prefer the slogan: "Expropriate the expropriators!" You may
crave a Dictatorship of the Proletariat. All that is fine and can be
argued and supported with scholarly research, reason and logic.
The spectacle of a man wearing a R250,000 watch, with clothes and shoes
and car et cetera to match, demanding the nationalisation of mines
only, strictly mines, in the name of the workers and the poor is not a
joke, or else it is a (sick) joke, depending on your mood and sense of
humour.
If any arbitrary thing can be "nationalised", without any perspective
of class revolution, then a watch can also be nationalised, comrade.
The day that the ANC YL starts supporting the general expropriation of
the expropriators on behalf of the working class, will be the day that
its leaders will have to cease from boasting of their "wealth and
entrepreneurship", which mean nothing more or less than their
determination to be bourgeois.
All their calls for nationalisation are simple opportunism and
demagogy.
Show me that it is not so, if you can, Cde Tsembeyi!
VC
Sithembewena tsembeyi wrote:
I have been reading with contempt, disgust, pain and
embarrassment how deteriorated comrades have become, well critical
debates have triggered factionalism and personification of politics and
I felt ashamed to be from the same organization as most of you who
have missed a clear point of engaging with principles.
Though I will forever pride in the teachings of the like zabo
Tshonyane, OR and Bra-Joe, I do not support ither of your views to
prositute each other without given pure ideological content in this
whole debate, I might have missed a point but for anyone who claims to
be a resolute leader of the working class, should find it senseless to
allude or suggest that we nationalize Malema's watch, meaning to him
the debate of Nationalization is nothing but a joke, however content is
no more a fact for many of you.
I am also disappointed by comrade Kupa or the YL in Gauteng if that is
the official position, well in my region we have not discussed that
Bull S****, Secondly Kupa finds space to parachute masterial positions
within the debate and allude with insults that comrade Mbaks is
contesting an un-dated congress, A reminder only members, structures of
the ANC in good standing will pronounce in terms of its leadership when
the relevant time come, what is more fundamentally a joke with these
comrades they have already pronounced with the ANC 2012 conference,
while the YL in regions is currently struggling to go to its own
conferences, pending also is provincial conferences and of which Kupa's
province is due to go to conference in no time and this may not be
obvious cause some may have interest too and may not come back,
thirdly the National Conference of the YL is before the national
conference pf the ANC and it is not given that Malema will still be the
President of the YL by then, (not unless the same Mangaung scenario is
prepared).
Lastly I do not find any reason for character assassination, there are
many relevant debates and issues that we can focus on rather than the
witch hunt amongst cadres... Equally is Malema responsible for this
public out break... when given a chance to clarify all this, for him to
seek and lobby support from us ordinary members of the YL and the
entire MDM structures...
Most important...Like pre-Polokwane the ANC and broadly its membership
made a blunder focusing on an individual towards the our conference and
this has ultimatly made him a Godly member of the ANC and for him to be
individualistically apologetic with what we have resoluted upon. Look
what had he have to say on the issue of Labor Brokering.
So I plead to fellow cadres that we find proper means of discussing
some of these issues and avoid bringing Liabilities in the movement to
lead us and for us to forever protect them when they have actually made
a blander in all spheres
From:
Loselo Segwe <[email protected]>
To:
[email protected]
Cc: David van Wyk
<[email protected]>; [email protected]; Nareadi
Molabe <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, February
22, 2010 12:44:03 PM
Subject: Re: [YCLSA
Discussion] Malema's millions
Cdes.
Reading articles and listening to the debates on the electronic
media as well as through engagements with Comrades, I failed to hear
anyone saying Cdes. should not be wealthy and entrepreneurial. The
issues at stake is whether, as a society, we want allow an entrenchment
of the current practice where (not only Malema and yellow communist),
build their wealth on the basis of parasitic relationship with the
state?
The second issue is the ethical correctness (whether Western -
Imperial definition or whatever definition) of ethics. We all know, or
choose to ignore the fact that some of our Cdes. have access to these
tenders, not through their entrepreneurial skills or any technical
skill, but through their political connections and heavy-handedness
with which they pressurise municipal officials to bend the rules in
favour of their facilitating companies (they are facilitating due to
the fact that they do no perform the actual work) but rather outsource
the tender performance delivery to third parties who either deliver
sub-standard work or their lead-times are what inspires service
delivery protests around the country.
Cdes, all South Africans are entitled to entrepreneurial
aspirations, including our politicians. The only limitation I know of
is where one might, by association with the state tender processes, be
viewed or perceived to have conflict of interest. Julius appears, on
the surface, to be far from tender processes and resultant decision
making. The reality of the matter is that political position in South
Africa determines business influence. There are many instances where
such has happened and is happening. It cannot be defended or justified.
Thirdly, my view is that we all need to encourage and incubate
entrepreneurial spirit amongst Comrades, for two or more reasons, one
is to grow our economy through new enterprise, innovation, skills
development and job creation. Another critical reason why we should
encourage and instill entrepreneurial spirit, also related to the
first, is to wean Cdes from State Deployment Dependency Syndrome
(SDDS). This syndrome poses a very dangerous threat to our revolution.
Many of our cadres of our broader movement have just given up in
respect to self-reliance, relevant skills acquisition, required work
ethics and respect for due processes. Instead cadres are queuing for
deployment, if it does not come as soon as required or expected, cadres
start discrediting incumbents, destabilising service delivery
institutions and finally discrediting our political systems, which have
been inspired by the ideal for equality, equity and justice.
I believe, therefore, that ignoring real issues such as our
revolutionary ethics and morality, the need to transform the economy
(crass material acquisition and state parasitism are not synonymous
with economic transformation), our collective social responsibilities
as leaders and followers, the core objectives of the revolution and the
need for transparent and effective governance, we are all sacrificing
our revolution at the alter of pseudo entrepreneurship and half-hearted
economic transformation.
Cecil John Rhodes and others were pure thieves and mercenaries,
they cannot therefore be used for moral campus or as points of
reference. They plundered, brought misery and wars to our lands, they
robbed the poor, and plainly they served imperialist interests with
distinctions. For to use them as reference points is illogical and
irresponsible.
Debating issues in this manner surely is infantile and closes
out alternative views and thinking. Let us not just protect our own
comrades and defend practices which are clearly sowing discontent
amongst our people. True revolutionaries engage, debate and open spaces
for dialogues. They respect and learn from divergent views, enrich
their understanding of the revolution, synthesize different view-points
and respond accurately to the challenges facing and likely to impede
the revolution.
My yellow communist thoughts.
Loselo
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:20 AM, MOSES
ABDULLAH PHIRI <[email protected]>
wrote:
Discussion
Comrades.
I enjoy much the discussions that are much thrown to this forum.
Robustly discussed, sometimes they are very fresh and raw, true or
unsubstantiated. Some are propaganda engineered or engagement intended.
The Malame Millions is a good story, but have thought once or so how
did Cecil John Rhodes, Oppenheimer have made their Millions in Africa:
either hook or crook.
Malema and others who are in our leadership must not die poor when we
have the wealth under our feet.
Whom do yo think better to have such wealth besides him?
Why do you work up every morning to toil without the intention of not
having wealth?
Come on Comrades, give me something sound to debate politically. The
freedom charter explains what was the struggle intended for. If you do
not beleive in the colours of the ANC flag please lets educate ourselves
Cheers and regards.
Abdullah Phiri
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