I completely agree with you cde Makatse Mzukisi. In addition, these unbecoming tendencies should be understood as continuation of disrespect of constitution itself and its provisions. What then becomes important is what the ANC has done reprimand, and correct such tendencies, be it done by Senior or YL leaders. For example there have been a lot cases (such as personalized public spats among alliance structures) where some leaders in ANCLY and ANC have been clearly acting in un-comradely manner, and no clear disciplinary actions have been taken against such individuals, expect rhetoric commitment stop this. On the recent Umsebezi, cde Cronin points out that *"The ANC, the SACP, COSATU and its affiliates all have clear constitutional guide-lines setting down the rights and responsibilities of members. We all identify sexism, ethnic chauvinism, racism, and factionalist activity, for instance, as serious deviations from the codes of conduct of our formations. Isn`t it time that we all act severally and collectively on these codes, without fear or favour"*
Surely if we were to focus on dealing with such unbecoming tendencies in our respective organizations we would deal with half of our organizational problems. Or maybe the problem is that there are some amongst us who think they should be exempted from disciplinary processes because we kept quiet when they started, and continued insulting those who benefited before them [pre-Polokwane and post-Polokwane], insulted organs of state, insulted other opposition organizations and engaged in some quasi ethnic chauvinism calling those you differ with them Mbeki's people wherein they themselves inessence represent tendencies that we did not want in Mbeki's-times. Lastly, I would like the ANCYL and its spokesperson to separate issues that relate to the private life of its president (cde Malema) and what concerns the ANCYL. Some of the issues that he [Floyd] has responded on are issues relating to the president as a natural person not the organization. Insults are just simplistic and immature way of dismissing responsibility and can be used to de-focus us from the ball, but they will not succeed. On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:38 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Sent from my Nokia phone > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeje Yaqub > Sent: 19/03/2010 18:58:04 > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt on > journos? > > > I think some may want us to treat cde Floyd's personal responce to cde > Domza as a view of the YL,like they usually do when chickens comes home to > roast. Cde Floyd has correctly quoted Marx on the question of the dominant > ideas in every epoch, again he is correct to say the media is reactionary > and it also serves the interests of the ruling class. The fundamental > question that comes to mind is, what fraction of the state does the opposite > of what the media does. Without making an application of being called ultra > left, I find it seriously disturbing when cdes becomes selective on issues. > I differ fundamentally with anyone who thinks that journalists and not the > media, serves the interests of the ruling class. This is the same mistake or > ideology error made by uTrotsky saying police(workers in the armed forces) > cannot be working class as they serve the enemy class. The question is not > about where are you employed but about the entire class struggle. And in > any case the working class comprise of the workers (journalists included) > and the poor, therefore such cannot be seen as reactionary by anyone who > claims to be communist. > > Cde Floyd, i would not entertain your position about the role played by cde > VC for history has taught me not to engage on petty struggles for such might > alienate one from the entire collective. As you state that journalists are > agents of capitalists, I'm not sure what informs your undialectical > conclusion but however I don't believe you might think that workers are > agents of the bourgeoisie simply because of the conditions they find > themselves in. If cde Floyd was to be reminded or taught, the struggle is > not waged on conditions of our own making (we do not choose the material > conditions). > > Can anyone who thinks journalists are agents of capitalism please inform me > what role is parliament playing in this whole debacle. > Is parliament not advancing the interest of the bourgeoisie, is our liberal > education system not serving as agents of capitalist mental reproduction. Is > it not maximization of profit through maximum exploitation that ensures > capitalism remains the order of the day. Can capitalism exploit its own > agents and if so, then what is the role of communists as they happen to be > the vanguard of the working class. Is it not the intention of the > bourgeoisie to divide the proletariat (journalists included) so that the > programme of making them more docile and easier to exploit economically can > be realised without any resistance. > > If journalists and any worker serving in any section of the state are to be > seen as agents of capitalism, then who stands to be mobilised by the > communists in our struggle for socialism. Cde Floyd's analysis are > absolutely inaccurate, they in fact serve the purpose of the bourgeoisie as > they seek to alienate some sections of the workers from the entire working > class contingent. Cde Floyd appears to me as an ideology vendor of every > description, who is more mobilized than ever to convince young people that > our only struggle is to defeat journalists and be good citizens. There has > been a major shift from the side of Floyd as a communist into the ranks of > our class enemies. Journalism can not be seen by young people as a > reactionary career simply because of the apolitical and unscrupulous > attitude of the YL towards journos. > > Let us refrain from confusing personality cults with umzabalazo for such > defeats the overall objective of all revolutionaries. > Cde Floyd consciously chose individuals and friends at the expense of the > revolution. He has forgotten the main reasons that made him join the > revolution, but in anycase the reasons initially had nothing to do with > personality cult or bling, they had everything to do with the interests of > workers that he chose to intimidate now of late. I therefore recommend that > cde Floyd should undergo a process of self cultivation in order to save > himself and any other young communist lost in the process. His primary goal > has never been bourgeios democracy but socialism which I still believe is. > > Get your facts straight commandante and vacate the area you find yourself > in, for it does you no good but corrupts your soul. > > Marx also said that "workers of the world unite" and such includes anyone > who owns no means of production but live by selling his/her capacity to work > And journalists meet the criteria. > > Remember cdes not to qoute Marx or any other great revolutionary in a > selective manner, for such is the recipe of distortion and fabrication. It > will also result in one being a revisionist of the worst kind which I doubt > that's what you may want. > > > The media serves the same purpose as parliament does and cde Floyd's > silence on the latter is very loud. The last time I checked, it was the > state that serves as a machinery to protect the interests of the > bourgeoisie, therefore your accusations carries no weight. > > Hasta siempre la commandante, > > Patria o muerte > > Avant Garde!!! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Nyiko Floyd Shivambu <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 1:01:02 PM > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Why is Floyd Shivambu digging for dirt on > journos? > > > "The individuals composing the ruling class possess among other things > consciousness, and therefore think. Insofar, therefore, as they rule as a > class and determine the extent and compass of an epoch, it is self-evident > that they do this in its whole range, hence among other things rule also as > thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate the production and > distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are the ruling > ideas of the epoch"...... > > This stems from a correct scientific discovery by a revolutionary > scientific socialist, Karl Marx, whose correct observation was that "the > ideas of a the ruling class are in every epoch, the ruling ideas". I am now > worried that Dominic (whom you refer to as VC) is misguiding 'commmunists" > to defend Journalists, who in a capitalist society are agents of the > capitalist mental reproduction. factionalism has potential to annihiliate > our organisation. > -- > You are subscribed. 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