Cadres, I understand arguments advanced by comrades, however what is important is that the leadership of the ANC has finally clarified the facts on the so-called Vavi matter. The decision needs to be accepted and respected in that context. Matters of principle such as whether the ANC can charge any member or leader of another alliance partner for expressing a position of an independent structure is constitutional or not, need to be deliberated at the branch level and tabled for consideration in the National General Council in September 2010. In this way, we would be able to iron out the ambiguity with regard to issues of this nature in the future. Corruption is corruption, it can never be contextualised. Therefore those implicated in corruption should learn to clear their names within the structures or make representations on why they are being implicated before the matter is blown out of proportion by the media and opposition parties. In that way, the reputation of the organisation does not get hurt or compromised. We cannot preach zero tolerance on corruption and then keep silent when our own deployees are implicated in some form of tender irregularities. It does not make sense - otherwise it will create impression that there is different corruption for different people. In fact, it should not matter whether COSATU or SACP raises the matter, what is pressing remains the prima facie allegation of corruption implicating our own comrades. I submit therefore that let the matter be resolved by the NGC. Comradely Morgan Phaahla "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe Slovo
--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Thabang Ngcozela <[email protected]> wrote: From: Thabang Ngcozela <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC National Working Committee Statement To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 8:12 AM indeed the contradictions need to become more sharper and our role as revolutionaries is to make them sharpest so that real change do happen. Socialism now and down with capitalism. Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:43:57 +0200 Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC National Working Committee Statement From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Comrades, The most positive thing to come out of this is the extent to which contradictions are sharpening within the broader movement. Those that "did not struggle to be poor" did not all leave to form Cope some are still within our ranks. For these comrades accummulating wealth and crass materialism for the elite is the main aim of the NDR. This development exposes what the realunderlying challenges that preclude our movement from providing leadership to society on many fronts. I also think this is a positive development because the attempt to silence COSATU means they are panicking and COSATU's and SACP's rogorous campaign against corruption is having an effect on them. All of us within our alliance formations including the ANC must continue to speak out against corruption, conspicuous consumption and a total disregard of the interests of the working class and the poor. COSATU & SACP in KZN are doing well in this regard. The NWC of our Movement has taken a correct decision by not going ahead with the intended disciplinary action as it was very ill advised in the first place. Forget the "long rope" that is supposedly being given to the COSATU GS to "hang himself", the comrades in the NWC know exactly they cannot proceed in this manner. I therefore think the "swell the ranks" call is even more relevant. Can you imagine if the working class and the poor were to leave the alliance - these same corrupt elements would have a field day. These are the same elements whose revolutionary conscience does not tell them it is a contravention of the Public Finance Management Act to splash millions of rands on World Cup tickets for fat cats who are earning millions in state departments and parastatals. Comradely Regards, Thembela. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Mthimkulu Mashiya <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Comrades, My own view is that it was totally wrong for the ANC to even think about charging Vavi under these circumstances. It is standard practice for COSATU, indeed for the whole congress movement, that after every meeting of constitutional structures, a press conference is held and a statement issued to communicate what was discussed and resolved. An impression is being created that comrade Vavi simply spoke out of the blue! The Central Executive Committee (CEC) of COSATU met from 24 - 26 May 2010 and the next day a press conference was addressed by the COSATU National Office Bearers where comrade Vavi read the CEC statement and answered questions from journalists. The EKURHULENI DECLARATION OF THE ALLIANCE dated 7 April 2002 states as follows on Managing Intra-Alliance Relations; “Our organisations, though profoundly inter-dependent, are separate organisational formations with their own identities, policy-making mechanisms and internal organisational arrangements. In this regard, each component respects the independence of its allies. The summit discussed a range of challenges emerging out of managing intra-alliance relations. In general it was agreed that none of these challenges, including the question of multiple mandates and overlapping membership, pose insuperable problems to the effective management and consolidation of the Alliance. It is a source of strength for the Alliance that many members of one partner are also members of other components. Having examined the causes and the impact of recent intense public discord among some components of the Alliance, the Summit concluded that this was an unfortunate development which we should not allow to recur. We do acknowledge that it would be artificial to expect that tensions would not exist among and even within components of the Alliance. The challenge is how we manage them within our constitutional structures, and use them as a catalyst for the growth and maturity of our organisations.” The ALLIANCE DECLARATION ‘EKURHULENI II’ of April 2005 re-affirmed this and went further to say, “…we agreed to conduct our debates and air real differences, where they may occur, in ways that build unity, and enable the Alliance to provide leadership to our society in general.” I would argue that the COSATU statement and Vavi’s response to the journalist when he was clarifying what COSATU meant is not at all in violation of the Alliance protocol. On the other hand, threats to discipline Vavi seek to undermine the independence of COSATU. That is why COSATU’s affiliates sprang to Vavi’s defence. As General Secretary, comrade Vavi is the chief spokesperson of COSATU, which is why the statement was read by him! For comrade Nyanda to resort to court action seems to be over the top. Why did he not sue the newspapers at the time they published the negative articles about him? He is in fact the one who is bringing the movement into disrepute! Down with tenderpreneurship Down!!! Mthimkulu Mashiya On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Dominic.Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: ANC Statement, 22 June 2010 National Working Committee Statement The National Working Committee held its normal bi-weekly meeting on Monday 21 June 2010, at Luthuli House. The focus of the meeting was on the preparations for the National General Council in September 2010. The first draft discussion policy papers were tabled for consideration by the NWC. The NWC agreed that the process of consolidating these papers should continue and the next two Mondays be used by the NWC for refining all these policy papers in time for the next National Executive Committee meeting where all these NGC discussion documents will be signed off. The meeting also received the report from the officials on the so-called Vavi matter. It is important that we first clarify the facts on this matter as it has been kept on the public domain for the past three weeks on the basis of a leak to journalists regarding discussions in the NWC meeting of 30 May 2010. In this meeting an issue was raised about the public pronouncements by members of the ANC who happen to be leaders in other alliance components. These pronouncements which amounted to public spats also dragged names of other leaders through the mud. An observation was then made that on the part of the general secretary of COSATU, cde Zwelinzima Vavi, this has become a norm, wherein innuendo was used to caricature some unnamed leaders of the ANC as corrupt. In trying to qualify his pronouncements on corruption in the ANC, the names of cde Siphiwe Nyanda and Sicelo Shiceka were specifically mentioned whether voluntarily by comrade Vavi or in answering questions from journalists. It was the view of the NWC that pronouncements by Cde Vavi have gone too far. The possibility of charging comrade Vavi was put as a possible option with the proviso that facts about this incident be investigated. Having been seized with this matter for some time now the NWC has now decided that the following principles be clarified: - In terms of the ANC Constitution “all members, without exception, must abide by the Constitution of the ANC, and the Rules and Regulations, the Standing Orders and Codes of Conduct, as adopted or amended from time to time, as well as all policies and decisions properly adopted or made in terms of the Constitution”. This observation clarifies the question of whether the ANC can charge comrade Vavi or not. There is no question of any member being exempted from being charged on the basis of such a member being a leader of another alliance partner. It is not COSATU that is a member of the ANC but thousands of individual members who have joined the ANC individually also in some instances joined unions in their respective workplaces. There is no COSATU block membership in the ANC. The history of our movement is full of names of comrades who were charged whilst being leaders of the alliance component and determination made about their behaviour and conduct within the ANC. It is therefore being economical with facts and truth to say it has never happened in the history of the alliance to charge leaders of other alliance partners, including after the unbanning. There is therefore no question of the ANC being unable to charge its members because they happen to be leaders of one or the other alliance partner. These individual members are expected to defend the congress movement irrespective of the company they find themselves in. Having made these observations the NWC decided that: - In dealing with this alien behaviour charging comrade Vavi will not be the best route to take. This is a political problem that must be addressed as such. In dealing with this matter politically, COSATU will be engaged directly and asked to abide by the decisions taken by the alliance structures. COSATU will be asked to particularly observe our decisions on stopping public spats and also the ease with which fellow comrades or leaders are attacked in public. The generalisation in talking about corruption must end and all the leaders of the movement must be specific in raising issues particularly around corruption. Mentioning names of individual comrades as corrupt without facts is dangerous in that when such comrades are cleared the allegation will not disappear. The example would be the isolation of comrade Siphiwe Nyanda as corrupt for staying in a hotel while waiting for official residence to be allocated by Public Works which applies to all ministers and deputy ministers. We believe that such accusations of corruption levelled against cde Nyanda and others in similar circumstances, is stretching things too far, smacks of mischief and is totally disingenuous. When any alliance partner has issues that are serious enough to receive our attention, such a partner has a duty and responsibility to engage with us before going public and be seen to be attacking another partner. In future this behaviour by individual members of the ANC will be closely monitored and there will be consequences whenever any deviant behaviour is observed. The NWC also took the opportunity to wish Bafana Bafana well in their 2010 FIFA World Cup encounter with France today. The ANC remains confident that Bafana Bafana can still make the country proud. We are also pleased by the support that Bafana Bafana continues to receive from all South Africans. South Africans have shown the entire world that they are good hosts, we are also confident that South Africa will continue to show this passion until the end of the FIFA World Cup. We are already winners as South Africa for hosting the most successful FIFA World Cup. LET’S HOLD OUR HEADS HIGH!!! Issued by: ANC Secretary General Gwede Mantashe African National Congress 54 Sauer Street Johannesburg 2001 Enquiries: Jackson Mthembu 082 370 8401 Ishmael Mnisi 082 333 5550 -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. 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