Hola companero, Cdes, please make sure as we read to understand, we also find enough space to be dialectical in everything that we read or do. Cde Sibusiso spoke of rhetoric not having place in the NDR which I personally disapprove. He also made his own assumptions on what led to the formation of Cope which I would not entertain. As for his unpleasant advice that one should keep his rhetoric and read messages before responding, shows the level of ignorancy from cde Sibusiso.
The SACP 12th Congress in PE resolved around the question of having branches in every VD which the SNC emphasized, but there is also a decision that our membership should at-least equal 1% of the overall population by 2014. Cde Sbu, I think you will have no choice but to agree with me that for us to achieve this revolutionary objective, we need nothing but be realistic. Since you seem to have a problem with rhetoric, so I decided to avoid them for now and be a bit numerical hoping you will then understand the logic behind what I wrote earlier. By the way which section of the community do you think the Party should on during recruitment. Remember, SA as a Capitalist state comprise of different classes and those classes are found everywhere except in the Party. Within the ANC's 800 000 membership there is a compilation of the working class, bourgeoisie, middle strata, the peasantry and the lumpen proletariat. The majority of the ANC's working class is non-conscious and unorganised which should be a worry for us. COSATU has something like 2 million members which are all working class and organised but all these numbers do not reflect in the SACP membership, which should also be a worry factor to us. We also have misplaced communists and socialists that are found in other non-progressive organizations, some are found in what we term reactionary movement. Don't you think that we all have a revolutionary duty to redirect all this confused molecules in to the Party. What happened immediately after the historic Cuban revolution, didn't the progressive and revolutionary forces recruit within their ranks those who served the Batista oppressive regime. The same thing happened after the Great October Bolshevik Revolution, cde Lenin had to mobilize all Professionals and working class irrespective of their previous stance. Oh! before I forget, the samething was done by the ANC when and after it came to power, remember Minister van Schalkwyk, Dirk Coetzee, Pik Botha,Joe Mamasela and some who also happens to be leaders of the SACP. The point I'm trying to make is that many members of previously and currently reactionary movements, members of counter revolutionary organisations and of course reformists, continue to join the ANC, some of them are from Cope and people like you seem to be accepting on such but resistant when they want to join the Party before the ANC. Many DA,COPE,IFP and others, happens to be in COSATU and I bet, you do not understand what informs that. COSATU as a federation, understands that only workers are better positioned to advance its objective and by the way they also make it a political force to be reckoned with, irrespective of their political affiliation. Cde Sibusiso, what I'm trying to say is that a misplaced and misled proletarian is a thousand times better that a bourgeois in the ANC, bare in mind I'm raising this from a context of class struggle. So, as I said the other day,communists as the most advanced and resolute section of the working class are better positioned to develop the consciousness of the working class, in fact that is our revolutionary duty. The Party needs workers more than any other class, hence Marx and Engels said in the communist manifesto "workers of the world unite" against the exploitation of man by man. The Party understands categorically clear that everything undergoes a process of change except change itself. We also understand that it is not the external forces but internal forces that brings about change, hope you find this to your advantage. I would appreciate it, if you were to hate Capitalism with the same passion you hate COPE. It is not fault that you're at this political epoch still understanding issues in the same manner which you did 10 years ago, by the way the remnants of your past seem to be more dominant and the level of your consciousness is also a contributing factor. In this forum we raise issues in order to provoke discussion knowing fully well that such will contribute in developing cdes, we do not raise issues to outsmart others, that's why we are so intolerant of gate keepers and African chauvinists who does nothing else but dismiss those with different views. Don't behave like the Muzzarewa of this forum, make your own contribution and stop persecuting those who provoke discussion, it is not with our prerogative to choose who becomes a Party member or not, it's the branch that will decide. Socialismo o muerte! Hasta siempre commadante, Vive la revolucion!!! ________________________________ From: Sibusiso Mimi <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, June 26, 2010 10:19:37 PM Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Hogan on Board/CEO relationship Rhetoric has no place in our national democratic revolution. Cope is established on a belief the the party is corrupt (see Madisha money in the black bag) it makes no sense that a Cope member to ask to join the party. Cdes are therefore forgiven when they think any Cope member can ever be an Sacp member at the same time. So please keep your rhetoric to yourself and read messages b4 responding as the discussion is not about the ANC. Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Jeje Yaqub Sent: 26/06/2010 9:21:20 pm Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Hogan on Board/CEO relationship Read the content before you resort to insults, isixhosa is a very decent language so do not display it as a symbol of anarchy. As much as I do not agree with Nqaba or whoever this person might be, I think there is lot of sense in what he's trying to raise. Members of the Party must therefore understand the fundamental difference between the SACP and the ANCWL. In the WL you first join the ANC before but with the Party its all about what you believe in. Have you ever read the communist manifesto and understood it, because it categorically states that communists do not have an interest of their own separate from that of the working class. What happened to our concept that communists are better positioned to develop the consciousness of the working class, how do we develop this consciousness if we expect the working class to be first members of the ANC before they can be associated with the Party. You live me no choice but to recommend political school for you and anyone who might think like you. Communists are not members of the ANC but the most advance and resolute section of the working class. I hope yuo understood the logic behind my statement. Hasta la victoria siempre, Vive la revolucion!!! Avant garde! ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, June 23, 2010 6:08:45 PM Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Hogan on Board/CEO relationship Nqaba is VC a membership officer or just trying to provide him or test his stand in the SACP,ngesixhosa uyasinyela. Regards Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: "Nqaba Bhanga" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:33:25 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Hogan on Board/CEO relationship Dominic i want to renew my membership of the SACP and iam not a member of the ANC , Iam COPE Member and will remain , i remain a marxist -Leninist . 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