Cadre Malume, referring to comrades as shwashi or umgosi is really out of order but then again one can identify a sense of malema's defense in your tone.
What you wrote was something to be used to deter us from the discussion which was currently taking place and to divert all attention from what malema said. Comrade, we as members of the YCL and ANCYL are not new to the public self-embarrassment of malema. We will therefore engage him in discussions which we have within this forum. If you feel that whatever we said is said behind his back, then I personally give the mandate to go and invite him to this forum. For you comrade to come and call us "shwashi" is counter-revolutionary! I am sure other cadres such as GUGU and etc...who were involved in the discussion did not really understand what you said... We need an apology! Soldier... On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 12:08 PM, malume malume <[email protected]> wrote: > Comrades. > > The unfortunate part of this discussion is the behaviour of comrades > as if they are shwashi or umgosi. > > In my view, the utterance of Malema was questioning the role of people > who are communist without communist content, especially in the > nationalisation of mines debate. > > The main issue I think we need to debate here is, do chinese have > african interest at heart? > > This question is informed by the personal differences Mao and Stalin > had in the past. This is also noted by the divisive role china played > in african politics to date. > > Malema said that when investors leave, the chinese are coming to > invest. The chinese had supported the PAC, and we all know their > strength. > > If you can't beat the ANC, you rather divide it and rule. You will > remove Julius Malema and be left with a policy position that will > advance his interest. By the way, he mentioned this in reference to > Polokwane 2007 > > Let's debate > > On 8/17/10, Mangaliso Khonza <[email protected]> wrote: > > Communism is organic not intellectual Cde sethokge and it is learnt in > class > > struggle not in isolation of class debates. > > > > Cde VC is correct when saying never underestinmate a demagogue, he has > > people well versed in communist rhetoric and theories around him but he > is > > not speaking to you when he speaks. he is tapping into a majority of ppl > who > > identify communism with Marx and quoting him, if you dont include a > sentence > > of Marx they will be on your case in the same way they expect a communist > to > > not wear a tie and shining shoes. They expect a communist to have unkempt > > hair like Karl Marx and a cap like that one of Lenin. > > > > Make no mistake Julius has an idea of all this and is well versed in > > collapsing communist power by forcing us to behave in his manner thus > > reducing us to a point we despise. > > > > A true narrow nationalist is he, hence he speaks non-racialism but is > quick > > to jump on attacks to any white person without considering the quality of > > the contributions. Not all englishmen were colonialists and not all > germans > > were nazis and it defeats a revolutionary struggle if it cannot demystify > > such as itself turnsa into a reactionary struggle, negating itself. > > > > > > > > On 17 August 2010 11:13, sipho shandu <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Cadre Sethokge, > >> > >> Who said that communist is for educated elites? > >> > >> Was it part and parcel of what I wrote? > >> > >> Why do you have to possess such "media" tendency my chief? > >> > >> My chief, that tendency is not good for you and for discussions. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >>> Let us also bear in mind that the media can be very mischievous in > >>> quoting > >>> politicians > >>> > >>> There might be a possibilty that he might have been quoted out of > context > >>> > >>> That we cannot rule out > >>> > >>> Gugu > >>> > >>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:44 PM, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> So communist is for educated elites? > >>>> > >>>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> *From: *sipho shandu <[email protected]> > >>>> *Sender: *[email protected] > >>>> *Date: *Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:28:29 +0200 > >>>> *To: *<[email protected]> > >>>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] > >>>> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Malema wants fresh blood > >>>> > >>>> Cde Gugu, > >>>> > >>>> I understand the fact that it is a good book to someone who has an > >>>> excellent absorption of content machanism but let us not loose the > plot > >>>> of > >>>> the person who is the subject of discussion here. > >>>> > >>>> I fail to even think that malema would understand any book given to > him > >>>> judging by the marks he obtained for woodwork. how can one fail > woodwork > >>>> as > >>>> a subject?! > >>>> > >>>> The worst part is that as members we failed to see a conman and now he > >>>> has failed the youth! > >>>> > >>>> He has gone and built bridges which are now history. He has chased > >>>> comrades from their positions and even suspended some unfortunately. > >>>> > >>>> He has played this divide and rule strategy on cadres within the youth > >>>> league and now he has extended his invitation to the YCL. > >>>> > >>>> Comrades, let us come up with a solution rather than escalate this > >>>> problem into a dilemma. > >>>> > >>>> Let us deal with this embissal and traitor of democracy. Let us say > >>>> "enough is enough"! > >>>> > >>>> There is a song which we sung during cde JZ's trials and it goes as > >>>> follows: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> " Yini i-socialism? > >>>> Umhlaba wonke ezandleni zabantu > >>>> > >>>> Ukunamuntu waphath'umhlaba ngayedwa > >>>> > >>>> Ngoba U-de klerk bo' > >>>> Ayesaba amabhunu konxiwa > >>>> ngob'efuna ukusetshenzelwa ngabantu" > >>>> > >>>> This song says a lot about malema and his goons. They are cowboys and > >>>> murderes! Malema and his executive who support him are no different > than > >>>> Botha and Malan! > >>>> > >>>> They want to rule and they dont care about the youth who live in > poverty > >>>> and contribute to large statistics of unemployment! > >>>> > >>>> If malema is not a capitalist what is he? His behaviour and lifestyle > >>>> say > >>>> that he is a Kapital! > >>>> He is not a socialist and definitely can never be a communist! > >>>> > >>>> Those that follow him are disillussional and one day they will realise > >>>> exactly that! > >>>> > >>>> Comrade chris hani died for the liberation...in fact he was killed by > >>>> one > >>>> of us cadres! Hani was never killed by the dutch. They may have pulled > >>>> the > >>>> trigger but they never killed him! > >>>> > >>>> Hani was killed by one of our own Just like Mahatma Gandhi! > >>>> > >>>> the truth will come out someday...and it will! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I also had Animal Farm in mind > >>>>> > >>>>> Very good and simple book in narrating political/class contradictions > >>>>> > >>>>> Gugu > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM, sipho shandu > >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Comrades, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If he is still busy with a book from the freedom front (FF), then > let > >>>>>> us first assist with the book before we confuse him further. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I still have the video of Animal Farm. Maqabane give me his address > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> I will post it...lol > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Mzukisi Ronyuza > >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Comrades don't confuse Juju, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You forget that at some stage he was given a book on morals by the > >>>>>>> Freedom Front Plus Youth (North West University- Vanderbijl Park > >>>>>>> Campus), he > >>>>>>> is busy studying that. Communism manifesto is an enigma to this > >>>>>>> gentleman > >>>>>>> who tries to be a *revolutionary *. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 8/16/10, sipho shandu <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Cde Gugu, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Utter Madness does not only start to be identified or noticed when > >>>>>>>> one starts picking up papers but it can also be noticed when one > >>>>>>>> begins > >>>>>>>> uttering nonsensical statements! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Malema clearly does not know communism. He has exposed himself as > a > >>>>>>>> non-starter and as a political emptist! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have a copy of a communist manifesto...Im sure gugu also has > one. > >>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>> hope that cde gugu can just post a copy to Malema so that he does > >>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>> encounter hardship in one of the classes he will be attending at > the > >>>>>>>> ANC > >>>>>>>> political school! We saw his matric certificate. It says a lot > about > >>>>>>>> him and > >>>>>>>> his awol mind! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> LOL! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Gugu Ndima > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> LOL!!! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I saw that cadre, I was quiet perplexed myself as to where > prehaps > >>>>>>>>> that notion comes from > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe he was misquoted, it really does not sound well > >>>>>>>>> conbfigurated.......maybe a mix up of words in a sentence! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Gugu > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Skizo Skizo > >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Makomanisi, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> HOW CAN YOU BE A COMMUNIST LEADER FOR MANY YEARS,BUT YOU HAVE > >>>>>>>>>> NEVER QUATED KARL MARX.THE STATEMENT BY MALEMA LEAVES MUCH TO > BE > >>>>>>>>>> DESIRED. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> You are subscribed. 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