VIVA!!!! On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > Comrades, have you forgotten that i am over 35 years ha! Ha! Ha!. Nothing > to explain comrades. > > Sent from my Nokia phone > -----Original Message----- > From: Gugu Ndima > Sent: 06/10/2010 10:01:26 pm > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED > AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES > > Cde. Khaye, > > Please stop feeding this matter!!! There is absolutely N.O.T.H.I.N.G > to tell or clarify! > > Leaders, i dont want strange calls from Journalists tomorrow asking > ODD questions! > > Cadre Sabelo is a well-respected SENIOR in the movement......finish and > klaar!!! > > Regards > > Gugu > > On 10/6/10, khaye nkwanyana <[email protected]> wrote: >> I think it would be good juicy headline >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:40:29 >> To: <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD P >> ROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >> >> Leaders please, please!!! >> >> The next thing you will see DISTORTED HEADLINES on sunday papers >> >> This is a very COMRADELY discussion!!! >> >> >> >> LOL... >> >> Regards >> >> Gugu >> >> On 10/6/10, Luzuko Buku <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Eish Khaye I concure, I am excited by these exchanges from comrade Gina >>> and >>> Gugu, very interesting staff. They must tell us indeed >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "The state is the product and manifestation of the irreconcilability of >>> class >>> antagonisms..."State and Revolution, Lenin (1917) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________ >>> From: khaye nkwanyana <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wed, October 6, 2010 10:26:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>> AMENDMENT >>> OF >>> LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> >>> Hey you two!! Its like there is a ncwaaah story behind a story of your >>> fighting >>> a reconciliation here. Tell us? >>> >>> (Lighter note) >>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> >>> Sender: [email protected] >>> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 21:23:18 >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD P >>> ROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>> >>> u welcome!! >>> >>> On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Ngiyabonga >>>> >>>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Gugu Ndima >>>> Sent: 06/10/2010 9:04:18 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>> >>>> Comrade Sabelo, I was merely cautioning that we remain objective when we >>>> engage >>>> >>>> No I could never hold a grugde for a fellow comrade leader..Kudlulile!! >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Gugu >>>> >>>> On 10/6/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Gugu, what have i done now? Are you telling me about a grudge that you >>>>> have? >>>>> My apologies if your read emotions in the words I wrote. Comradely, >>>>> Cedric >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Gugu Ndima >>>>> Sent: 06/10/2010 5:07:42 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>>>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>>> >>>>> Cadre Sabelo, we must equally appreciate criticism and be able to bring >>>>> sober clarity to fellow comrades so they understand the our stance >>>>> >>>>> I remember not so long you had accused me of being a Molefe when I >>>>> humbly >>>>> made an attempt to correct some of the deviations which were taking >>>>> place >>>>> in >>>>> the forum. As a senior leader I think its best that you make Cde. >>>>> Thabang >>>>> understand the current contradictions and our role as the vanguard. We >>>>> should minimise being emotional so as to avoid clouding core issues >>>>> >>>>> I do not recall at any stage Thabang where the YCL and SACP misled >>>>> the >>>>> working class particularly when it relates to the state apparatus and >>>>> machinery used at times to oppress the working class, or hinder with >>>>> their >>>>> right to demand for better employment conditions. >>>>> >>>>> Infact the YCL has been very vocal about police brutality, lack of >>>>> service >>>>> delivery and our branches have been very visible in the very same >>>>> service >>>>> delivery protests. When the Police commissioner boldly took to the >>>>> streets >>>>> to pronounce on shoot to kill, we were very clear on our stance to a >>>>> point >>>>> where the Minister himself requested that we meet on this issue...we >>>>> have >>>>> never back-tracked or been apologetic on advocating for the working >>>>> class >>>>> and the poor. >>>>> >>>>> The YCLSA made submissions together with Unions on the Banning of >>>>> Labour >>>>> brokers and we continue to to work on the ground with young workers who >>>>> are >>>>> subjected to such injustices. >>>>> >>>>> Ours is not to parade our victories and calls for change in society. >>>>> There >>>>> are a number of campaigns which now find resonance with other political >>>>> formations and the government, where the SACP and the YCL were the >>>>> champions. But there is no intellectual property of the revolution and >>>>> ours >>>>> is only to advance it. We are not in the Olympics nor are we contesting >>>>> anyone. Ours is to boldly fight Capitalism and the >>>>> socio-economic disparates it continues to perpetuate in our society. >>>>> >>>>> Let us also take note of the fact that the are members of the ANC who >>>>> members of the SACP as much as we are all members of the PYA. we should >>>>> not >>>>> at any stage be apologetic about being members in all Alliance >>>>> components. >>>>> Lets also keep in mind that the ANC is broader church, contested by >>>>> various >>>>> class components. This will emanate even within the State. the State >>>>> still >>>>> remains untransformed and that continues to be a challenge particularly >>>>> for >>>>> the working class and the poor. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Cde. Gugu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:50 PM, [email protected] >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thabang, i am sure you were angry when you wrote your input. Elders >>>>>> have >>>>>> cautined me not to write when i am angry and i took their advice. I >>>>>> would >>>>>> suggest that you do the same. It is not good to generalise when >>>>>> discussing >>>>>> important matters of the national democratic revolution. Comradely, >>>>>> Sabelo >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Thabang Ngcozela >>>>>> Sent: 05/10/2010 6:01:01 pm >>>>>> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>>>>> AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>>>> >>>>>> maybe it is important to indicate as well that the anc as the party in >>>>>> charge of the state machinery is the employer that also promotes >>>>>> anti-worker >>>>>> policies and working conditions that inflicts the same injustices the >>>>>> da >>>>>> advances. it is hypocritical for the yclsa to pretend that the da is >>>>>> the >>>>>> only party that advances these injustices because the anc does exacle >>>>>> the >>>>>> same. For how long will the sacp and yclsa will they continue to be >>>>>> apologetic for the anc and mislead the working class to believe that >>>>>> there >>>>>> are fundemental difference between the da and anc. They all stand for >>>>>> capitalism, which is the natural enemy of the working class. >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:59:04 +0200 >>>>>> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Fwd: YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED >>>>>> AMENDMENT >>>>>> OF >>>>>> LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> YCLSA ON DA’s OBSURD PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF LRA FOR UNION STRIKES >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 5 OCTOBER 2010 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Young Communist League of >>>>>> South Africa (uFasimba) is appalled but not shocked by the ignorance >>>>>> demonstrated by the DA in their proposal to parliament to amend the >>>>>> Labour >>>>>> Relations Act. The proposed amendments are to ensure that Unions who >>>>>> embark >>>>>> on >>>>>> a strike will be held liable for any property damaged during strikes. >>>>>> The >>>>>> amendment >>>>>> further demands that Unions put in place measures to prevent violence, >>>>>> injury and >>>>>> damage to property; this insinuates that all property damaged and >>>>>> violence >>>>>> during strikes is caused by workers. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> These proposals unfortunately >>>>>> expose the ignorance and blatant misconception of what a strike is >>>>>> according to >>>>>> the DA and equally the objectives of a strike. A strike unfortunately >>>>>> is >>>>>> not a >>>>>> spontaneous event which is a result of a caucus of a few individuals >>>>>> who >>>>>> have >>>>>> nothing better to do with their time. A strike culminates from a >>>>>> strenuous >>>>>> exercise >>>>>> of negotiations and bargaining with stakeholders involved. It is a >>>>>> last >>>>>> resort >>>>>> which Unions only embark on when deemed necessary. Further to that, no >>>>>> Union >>>>>> has ever encouraged violence and hooliganism whenever unions take to >>>>>> the >>>>>> streets. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The violence that DA’s supposedly >>>>>> sees is as a result of the intransigent attitude demonstrated by >>>>>> Employers >>>>>> or >>>>>> Management who undermine the right of workers to strike and resort to >>>>>> utilising >>>>>> police brutality and violence to avoid proper negotiations and giving >>>>>> workers >>>>>> what they rightfully demand, in their cause to emancipate themselves >>>>>> from >>>>>> perpetual exploitation and harsh working conditions. When police shoot >>>>>> randomly >>>>>> and go on a rampage against workers, there is little reprimanding as >>>>>> such >>>>>> maliciousness is viewed by the likes of the DA as the restoration of >>>>>> Law >>>>>> and >>>>>> order. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The DA should perhaps consider >>>>>> mobilising its elite constituency which mainly consists predominantly >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> culprits that refuse to meet worker demands, to abolish Labour >>>>>> broking, >>>>>> give >>>>>> workers a decent living wage and probably leave their well-furnished, >>>>>> air-conditioned >>>>>> offices to see some of the harsh conditions they subject workers to. >>>>>> >>>>>> As the YCLSA we are well aware >>>>>> that it’s the inherent nature and character of the DA to take such >>>>>> distorted >>>>>> and antagonistic postures when it comes to worker issues. We advise >>>>>> that >>>>>> the DA >>>>>> starts a process of conscientizing its members about worker struggles >>>>>> in >>>>>> our >>>>>> country and propose progressive amendments which will expose Employers >>>>>> of >>>>>> this >>>>>> country and hold them accountable for exploitation and further more >>>>>> join >>>>>> us >>>>>> in >>>>>> the call to Ban Labour brokers within the very same LRA they want to >>>>>> amend. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Unions are a dire necessity given >>>>>> the state of our private and public sector. Despite progressive laws >>>>>> in >>>>>> place >>>>>> within the LRA, employers continue to find ways to deviate from them >>>>>> and >>>>>> this >>>>>> creates the patterns of resistance and ultimately workers taking to >>>>>> the >>>>>> streets >>>>>> to fight these socio-economic injustices. The proposed >>>>>> amendment by the DA is another way to suppress and undermine workers >>>>>> rights >>>>>> to >>>>>> strike, as the YCLSA we call for the proposal to be shelved as it has >>>>>> no >>>>>> place >>>>>> in our democracy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Issued by the YCLSA Head office >>>>>> >>>>>> Contact >>>>>> >>>>>> Gugu Ndima >>>>>> >>>>>> National spokesperson >>>>>> >>>>>> 076 783 1516 >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gugu Ndima >>>>>> +27 76 783 1516 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Gugu Ndima >>>>>> +27 76 783 1516 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> You are subscribed. 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