All I can say to that Domza is Amandla! we need to stop theorising about political education and dedicate our time and efforts towards its practical implementation and also translate it into qualitative change of society!
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]>wrote: > > The submarine surfaces, briefly, for reconnaissance. > > You are right, Cde Kanego, it's not a new thing. I seek news of self-help > study-circles among students. I think they are still there, but I don't hear > enough about them. > > Generally, the movement makes pronouncements about political education but > it is hard to see where there has been any change. > > The Communist University, from 2003, was started in a perception of an > unmet need, and to cater for comrades who clearly relished the opportunities > it created for *umrabulo*. > > I ask myself: Is the CU still necessary? I wish it was not, but I am afraid > it probably is. I wish the youth would take it up. Their initiative, as in > 1976, can be crucial. > > VC > > > > On 4 January 2011 10:09, Kanego, Clarence Thete <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Cde Domza a Vanguarding New Year to you too. You are absolutely correct to >> raise the point that students and its leaders should raise matters relating >> to the content of the curriculum in schools and institutions of higher >> learning. >> >> It is not a new matter though. There are several congresses of SACP, YCLSA >> and SASCO which have made an expression on the importance of the ideology >> orineted education system in the country as opposed to this bourgeois >> ideology which indeed as you said it "they are reproducing bourgeois class >> relations. Mostly, they are pushing out some commodified human beings, plus >> a lot of rejected human beings". >> >> Yes SASCO must mount this debate however this should not be left to >> students and their leaders alone. The Left Organisations in South Africa in >> fact SACP, YCLSA and COSATU not excluding Left Forces in the ANC and its >> leagues, should fight for an education biased to Leftist ideology and not >> bourgeois ideology. Actually this is the area of our struggle for Socialist >> South Africa where we are doing very badly. We need more and more political >> education sessions at the branch level and make the socialist fora work in >> workplaces. Yes, there were Commissariates Nationally, Provincially and in >> some Districts of the SACP however this should be translated to the lower >> structures. >> >> Ke nna, Kanego >> >> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Dominic Tweedie < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> A Vanguarding New Year to you, Cde George and to all on this forum. >>> >>> Concerning the SASCO comrades' statement, I would like to see more >>> qualitative critique from them, as opposed to comparisons. >>> >>> I don't think that saying that somebody's whiskey is more expensive than >>> the one you are drinking makes that person an exploiter, while you with your >>> relatively cheaper whiskey are not an exploiter, although millions can't >>> afford any whiskey at all. That is not a strong argument. >>> >>> Especially in the field of education, one would like to see a qualitative >>> critique coming from the supposed users, clients or beneficiaries of the >>> system - the students and their leaders. It would not be for the first time >>> in this country. I think such a critique is overdue. >>> >>> In 1976 the protest was to be taught in languages other than Afrikaans. >>> Now, the struggle should be to be taught ideology other than bourgeois >>> ideology. >>> >>> It is fine to say that no student should be excluded from institutions >>> for lack of funds, but what are these institutions doing with these >>> students? Mostly, they are reproducing bourgeois class relations. Mostly, >>> they are pushing out some commodified human beings, plus a lot of rejected >>> human beings. >>> >>> It is not o.k. for the students to take the educational "product" >>> unexamined. >>> >>> I would like to hear more about students and their organisations taking >>> initiative to do the political education that the universities and schools >>> do not do. >>> >>> On a day when students rejoice at their inclusion (while another >>> proportion cannot rejoice), is it not right to ask what they are being >>> included into? >>> >>> What is the "sub-text" of the matric/degree/doctorate route? How many of >>> those who win acceptance in this way turn out to be capable of making a >>> revolutionary contribution to society? And how many, on the contrary, are >>> lost to us and tied for life to the bourgeoisie? Is it not the case that the >>> system is rigged to produce the latter outcome, even among the rejects? >>> Because it makes everybody to be pointing in the one direction, whether they >>> are going to win, or lose. >>> >>> I torpedo. I submarine. I dive, hoping I have scored a hit. >>> >>> VC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3 January 2011 23:29, George Raphela <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Indeed KG, that message is powerful. atleast a different view on this >>>> socalled HOLYDAYS, I don't know what is holy about them. Every time there >>>> is >>>> always an assessment of how much profit has been made during that period. >>>> Who are the really beneficiaries of these things after all. >>>> >>>> It should be our task to expose these capitalist tendencies at all time >>>> as more importantly as young Marxist - Leninist under this system and >>>> SASCO is starting to do that. >>>> >>>> *Socialism in our life time *(YCL) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kanego, Clarence Thete < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Members, Leaders in lower structures and Convocants of SASCO and >>>>> the entire MDM must be proud of your work Cdes Mandlana and Ndamase. >>>>> Foward >>>>> with uncompromising and unapologetic Marxism-Leninism! Your message is >>>>> indeed powerful! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Cedric Gina <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Viva internationalism >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 Dec 2010, at 7:30 PM, "Richard Neva" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > Lazola, It took a lifetime of working in a state penitentiary in >>>>>> America to know all about racism. I left there in retirement and always >>>>>> got >>>>>> out safe because I spent time listening to the inmates and empathizing >>>>>> with >>>>>> them. America is a lock up country and poor people of color are the >>>>>> target >>>>>> as elsewhere. I am so glad I found your web site and hope to contribute >>>>>> soon. I too am a Marxist Communist and I support the world revolution of >>>>>> the >>>>>> poor dispossessed. I want to learn more about Africa and maybe visit >>>>>> some >>>>>> day and join you in your daily struggle for survival! I am with you in >>>>>> heart and spirit! Comrade Richard >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cedric Gina" < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> > To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> > Cc: "yclsa-eom-forum" <[email protected]> >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:15 AM >>>>>> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SASCO Says make yourselves a happy >>>>>> new year >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Powerful >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Sent from my iPad >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 30 Dec 2010, at 2:31 PM, Lazola Ndamase <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Don’t just wish for a happy new year: Fight for it >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> 30 December 2010 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Coming from a year of World Cup joy and tears for lack of Free >>>>>> >> Education, it is not surprising that we are eager to celebrate the >>>>>> end >>>>>> >> of 2010 and mark the beginning of 2011. We, those of the poor, bear >>>>>> >> the scars of financial exclusions, grinding poverty, unemployment >>>>>> and >>>>>> >> disease of the past year. We have, in the same year, seen the rise >>>>>> of >>>>>> >> the sushi elite, Tenderpreneurs, the new tendency with its >>>>>> >> anti-communism, taste for lavish lifestyles even by the most >>>>>> >> left-leaning of Ministers, thousands of unemployed thrown into the >>>>>> >> streets and thousands of students spewed into street corners by an >>>>>> >> ever intransigent higher education system. Things must not be >>>>>> allowed >>>>>> >> to go on in this way in 2011. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> In the past year alone, we have also seen restrained but heroic >>>>>> >> working class struggles – from the Free Education campaign mounted >>>>>> by >>>>>> >> thousands of students at the beginning of the year to the public >>>>>> >> service strike mid-year. The past year alone, has fixed the matter >>>>>> >> firmly in the eyes of all who do not deliberately close their eyes >>>>>> >> that the state cannot and will never be an impartial referee in >>>>>> >> ongoing class struggles, it takes one side and that has been the >>>>>> side >>>>>> >> of the rich capitalist class in the past year. If 2011 has to be a >>>>>> >> happy new-year, a radical shift is needed. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> We will not only wish a happy new year to the working class and the >>>>>> >> poor, but will pose a challenge which we believe will lead to a >>>>>> REALLY >>>>>> >> happy new year for the poor. We call on the working class to make >>>>>> 2011 >>>>>> >> a happy new year through taking power with their own hands by >>>>>> fighting >>>>>> >> for: free education, increased access to institutions of higher >>>>>> >> learning, better salaries, full employment, better and more houses, >>>>>> >> nationalization – not bailouts, but most importantly to defeat >>>>>> >> capitalism and abolish private property. If the working class and >>>>>> poor >>>>>> >> do not fight for the realization of these, 2011 will certainly NOT >>>>>> be >>>>>> >> a happy new year but will once more be a year of disappointment and >>>>>> >> dashed dreams. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> As we drink cheap whiskies and beers, we should gaze up towards the >>>>>> >> rich as they down expensive whiskies and tell ourselves that they >>>>>> do >>>>>> >> so at the expense of the majority. As we are squashed in >>>>>> >> accident-prone overloaded taxis to the beach, we should look to the >>>>>> >> expensive air-conditioned German cars driven by the rich and tell >>>>>> >> ourselves those are products of the sweat of the working class >>>>>> whose >>>>>> >> hard-work it cannot enjoy. As we braai our Christmas meat >>>>>> leftovers, >>>>>> >> we should look at the Sushi enjoyed by the rich and tell ourselves >>>>>> >> this will not take place the next year. As we enjoy our little >>>>>> savings >>>>>> >> of the past year, we should watch the rich buy willy-nilly with no >>>>>> >> limit with the money it stole from the working class as profits and >>>>>> >> tell ourselves this could have been used for free education. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> We will tell ourselves in the new year that we will not only wish >>>>>> for >>>>>> >> a happy new year, but we will fight for it. We will ensure that we >>>>>> >> destroy all that ensures that we remain poor and cannot afford >>>>>> basic >>>>>> >> necessities. We will ensure, like those who fought apartheid that >>>>>> we >>>>>> >> will fight for a better economic and educational future, one that >>>>>> will >>>>>> >> be filled with happy new years’, one after the other, without the >>>>>> need >>>>>> >> for consistent wishes at the beginning of every year. As a start, >>>>>> our >>>>>> >> organization will launch a most ferocious free education campaign >>>>>> from >>>>>> >> the moment institutions open with a determination that no student >>>>>> must >>>>>> >> be excluded from institutions for lack of funds. The achievement of >>>>>> >> all these goals to us will constitute a truly happy new year. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Nonetheless, we wish everybody a happy and prosperous new year. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> For details Contact >>>>>> >> Mbulelo Mandlana (President) >>>>>> >> 071 879 3408 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Or >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Lazola Ndamase (Secretary General) >>>>>> >> 082 679 8718 >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -- >>>>>> >> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >>>>>> >> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or >>>>>> reply to this message. >>>>>> >> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >>>>>> options, pages, files and membership. >>>>>> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >>>>>> [email protected] . You don't have to put >>>>>> anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the >>>>>> message part. 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