I can't agree more on your polemics, and I must say I am practically on earth. To give reference I was at COSATU PSSC in North-West where it is quite clear that all affiliates are troubled by reluctancy pertaining wages struggle. It was Public Sector Union that demanded feedback considering previous attitude of Richard Baloyi whom did not want to burge until was given directives by ruling party, why such Unions want external facilitators? What happened to SADTU agreeing to no work no pay won't apply if they commit to teach during holidays. ANC Secretary was the one who condenmed such agreement that teachers cannot be payed despite agreement. NUMSA was ahead of their struggle which again Gwede had to intervene again as external mediator. NUM is going to embark on action as to ensure that Aurora Mine-Workers get their salaries which Gwede would facilitate such. SAMWU was labelled during 2009 Elections that they want to sabotage elections and action was averted. 2010 was again matter of World Cup, now Local Election the same strategy and SAMWU NOB are engaging with ANC Official to avert such protest marches pre and post elections. Well I am still impressed by the same polemics but reality is that workers are far behind such consciuosness for its about immediete struggle than global agenda. Socialist Fora should be in line with International Struggle than factional approach for 2012 Conference. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
-----Original Message----- From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 09:51:26 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Outside facilitators needed, to avoid a public servants’ strike Comrade, SAMWU is not a part of the Public Service negotiations. Please also note that whatever the spin that the reports may have put on these Public Service negotiations, the actual position is that the unions are going for facilitation, whether that means arbitration or conciliation. That will take time to agree, then set up, then carry out, and then it may work, or it may not, in which case there would be a return to the bargaining table, maybe a consultation with members, and so forth. So it is too early to get excited about this negotiation, comrade. Your input is incoherent in other ways. Your attempt to smear the Secretary-General of the ANC is not welcome. As to any march "to show workers that we are not going to compromise them", that looks a lot like grandstanding to me. Just to come back down to earth, here are two quotations: *“the transformation…into state property, does not do away with the capitalistic nature of the productive forces… The more it [the bourgeois state] proceeds to the taking over of productive forces, the more does it actually become the national capitalist, the more citizens does it exploit. The workers remain wage-workers – proletarians. The capitalist relation is not done away with. It is rather brought to a head.” * Frederick Engels, Socialism: Utopian and Scientific, 1880 *‘If [the working class renounce(d) their resistance against the encroachments of capital] they would be degraded to one level mass of broken wretches past salvation. I think I have shown that their struggles for the standard of wages are incidents inseparable from the whole wages system, that in 99 cases out of 100 their efforts at raising wages are only efforts at maintaining the given value of labour, and that the necessity of debating their price with the capitalist is inherent to their condition of having to sell themselves as commodities. By cowardly giving way in their everyday conflict with capital, they would certainly disqualify themselves for the initiating of any larger movement. ‘At the same time, and quite apart form the general servitude involved in the wages system, the working class ought not to exaggerate to themselves the ultimate working of these everyday struggles. They ought not to forget that they are fighting with effects, but not with the causes of those effects; that they are retarding the downward movement, but not changing its direction; that they are applying palliatives, not curing the malady. They ought, therefore, not to be exclusively absorbed in these unavoidable guerrilla fights incessantly springing up from the never ceasing encroachments of capital or changes of the market. They ought to understand that, with all the miseries it imposes upon them, the present system simultaneously engenders the material conditions and the social forms necessary for an economical reconstruction of society. Instead of the conservative motto, "A fair day's wage for a fair day's work!" they ought to inscribe on their banner the revolutionary watchword, "Abolition of the wages system!"’* Karl Marx, Value, Price and Profit, 1865 *VC* On 7 May 2011 07:42, <[email protected]> wrote: > We can't fool workers for a long time, ANC by virtue of party governing the > STATE remains principal employer and workers seem to realize that. In > Bojanala Region as SAMWU Regional Secretary, I have attended 3 general > meeting to feedback members regarding wage negotiations and they remain sad. > And where we are to mobilize for ANC that workers must VOTE ANC workers > begin to negate leadership, and they are doing so precisely they are > directly confronted by patronage and dramatic step backs imposed by ANC > Councilors and when they are being exposed membeers are being victimised. We > would be embarking on protest march on the 13th May towards Election Day as > the only way to show workers that we are not going to compromise them, > however opportunist parties they would take advantage to demobilze workers > to vote ANC. Essence of external facilitator, I can't be suprised if its > Gwede Mantashe as he remained the one who was give employer the final say on > wages and COSATU is silence due to 2012 agenda. I pause > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > ------------------------------ > *From: * Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Sat, 07 May 2011 06:21:33 +0200 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] Outside facilitators needed, to a void a > public servants’ strike > > > [image: Eyewitness News] > > > *Intervention may be necessary to avert public servants’ strike * > > > *Barry Bateman, Eyewitness News, Johannesburg, 6 May 2011* > > Public sector unions on Friday said that outside facilitators may be needed > to avoid a repeat of crippling strikes seen in 2010, after negotiations with > government reached a deadlock. > > Some 14 unions affiliated to trade unions federation Cosatu and the > Independent Labour Caucus are demanding a 9 percent wage hike, while the > state is offering 5.2 percent. > > Unions said agreements on housing and medical aid reached in 2010 are yet > to be implemented by government. > > More than one million civil servants downed tools last August, disrupting > schools and hospitals. > > The South African Democratic Teachers’ Union’s (Sadtu) Mugwena Maluleke > said employees have already lowered their demand by one percentage point. > > The Independent Labour Caucus’ Chris Klopper said government has failed to > honour the previous agreement. > > ”The big ticket issues last year were salary adjustments, housing and > medical,” he said. “What we now find is that the employer is not prepared to > reach those issues.” > > However, government denied that there was a breakdown in negotiations. > > It has accused unions of negotiating through the media, despite agreements > to keep the talks behind closed doors. > > “As far as we are concerned, there is no breakdown in negotiations,” said > the Public Service Ministry’s Dumisani Nkwamba. “We are extremely shocked > [that] a press conference was conducted by the unions.” > > Unions said they hope to resolve the deadlock before the local government > elections on May 18. > > (Edited by Dennis Georgiannis) > > *From: http://www.eyewitnessnews.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=65294* > * * > * * > > -- > You are subscribed. 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