Comrade Tsumbe, We should not be debating your "perceptions".
If the "Libyan head" assured, why did nobody hear about his assurance before? If people are in doubt, they should keep their "perceptions" to themselves in a war situation. That equally applies to the Mirco. For the Mirco to stand up and point fingers at people over the dead body of this photographer is despicable. The only people who will be pleased with the Mirco for what she said will be those who support this war of recolonisation of an African country, which is going to push the AFRICOM right into the heart of our continent. There should be no doubt at all about this war on the Communist University: It is an abomination. Our country cowardly voted for it, to our eternal shame. The Russians and the Chinese who could have vetoed it, both failed to do so, to their eternal shame. Even if the Communist University and the YCLSA Forum are the last places on earth where the truth is told, we must continue to do so fearlessly. That is what we are here for. VC On 21 May 2011 00:36, <[email protected]> wrote: > Point taken but if the Libyan head assures you what do you do,especially if > you have no info to counter that info. I think it exposes Libya as dishonest > not our officials. My opinion is limited to my perception and is not > conclusive. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > ------------------------------ > *From: * "Setja Diphoko" <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Fri, 20 May 2011 22:25:53 +0000 > *To: *YCLSA Forum<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Government slated over Hammerl > > Hon Tsumbe, > > Messengers who can't verify information they are preaching are only > exposing sloppiness on their part, at such high diplomatic levels > information needs to be verified(no assumptions of any sort) > > Communist regards > > Lesetja Diphoko "Sent via my BlackBerry" > ------------------------------ > *From: * [email protected] > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Fri, 20 May 2011 19:49:06 +0000 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Government slated over Hammerl > > Cde,The minister was misled by Libya should she have argued without proof. > You can't hold the messenger responsible for being given wrong msgs by Libya > gvt. > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device > ------------------------------ > *From: * "Setja Diphoko" <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Fri, 20 May 2011 19:30:34 +0000 > *To: *YCLSA Forum<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Government slated over Hammerl > > Comrades, > > I still repeat, The Minister of the Department of International Relations > and Co-Operation’s (Dirco) is a liability both to Africa and South Africa > > Communist regards, > > Lesetja Diphoko "Sent via my BlackBerry" > ------------------------------ > *From: * matankana mothapo <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Fri, 20 May 2011 21:16:28 +0200 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] Government slated over Hammerl > > Government slated over Hammerl As the death of Anton Hammerl filters > through South Africa, questions are being asked about how his death was > concealed for over 6 weeks > NICKOLAUS BAUER & DES LATHAM > Published: 2011/05/20 01:36:05 PM > > Analysts are questioning the Department of International Relations and > Co-Operation’s (Dirco) ability to look after South Africans abroad in the > aftermath of photographer Anton Hammerl’s death. > > Hammerl was confirmed was confirmed dead on Friday after going missing > in Libya in April. > > The photographer had been covering the civil conflict in the country and > was presumed to be held by pro-Gaddafi forces. > > This notion was supported by Dirco minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, who > claimed she had news, on good authority that Hammerl was alive and in > captivity. > > It has since been established Hammerl died as a result of gun shot > wounds sustained on April 5th. > > American journalists Clare Morgana Gillis and James Foley, and Spanish > photographer Manuel Brabu, were with Hammerl when he was shot in the stomach > in the desert near Brega. > > "Our minister has got some serious explaining to do. She claims he was > alive and well when she clearly did not know that. She brutally misled the > South African public and Anton Hammerl’s family," Professor Anton Harber of > the School of Journalism at the University of Witwatersrand told Business > Day. > > Following his death, Dirco said the Libyan government lied to South > Africa about Hammerl. > > "We kept getting reassured at the highest level that he was alive until > his colleagues were released and shared the information yesterday > (Thursday)," she told reporters in Pretoria on Friday. > > "We are disappointed that we were not informed by Libyan authorities, > but from the journalists who were with him." > > This seems to have been accepted by the South African National Press > Club, whose chairman Yusuf Abramjee told Business Day the body was satisfied > the government did all in its power to locate and return Hammerl back to > South Africa. > > "We accept the explanation that they did everything in their power to > find out what happened to him. We hope that this serves as a warning not to > believe what the Libyan government tells them," Abramjee said. > > Human Rights Watch emergencies Director Peter Bouckaert has disputed > the statement issued by government that over the past 44 days it had done > all it could to determine what happened to Hammerl. > > He has told Business Day that the Americans and Austrians were doing all > the ground-work in Tripoli, and that South African officials were noticeably > absent. > > "Part of the problem was the lack of action by the South African > government, this is worrying," Bouckaert told Business Day. "When I was > interviewed on SABC Radio and criticised President Jacob Zuma for not > bringing up Hammerl’s disappearance when he met Gaddafi, I was suddenly cut > off," said Bouckaert. > > The Communication Workers Union (CWU) has also issued a statement > calling for a full investigation into the mater by Dirco. > > "As CWU, we condemn the killing of Hammerl and the continued onslaught > on protesters by Gaddafi’s forces in Lybia. We call on the South African’s > International Relations Minister to sanction an investigation into the > circumstances leading to the arrest and the subsequent killing of Anton > Hammerl." > > Renowned South African conflict photographer Gerg Marinovich also added > his voice to the chorus of discontent with the South African government. > > "This is what happens in war-zones, people die and journalists are not > exempt from that but the manner in which it happened is tragic and gory. The > government took the word of the Libyans at face value, he wasn’t a priority > for the South African government - he was nothing," Marinovich said. > > [email protected] > > > - Hammerl killed in > Libya<http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=143300> > > -- > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to > this message. > You can visit the group WEB SITE at > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery > options, pages, files and membership. > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. > You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to > put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to > this address (repeat): [email protected] . > > -- > You are subscribed. 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