Indeed I guess Bethuel is learning one or two things in this forum. You would never wage any revolution through papers, what should be happening is direct engagements with communities and futher agitate the masses to wage struggle against their enermy and its agents which in this case they are known. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
-----Original Message----- From: "Kau Rasehlo" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:12:46 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL workingclassleadershipplans The ANCYL,under Malema leadership is undoubtedly one of the most militant political force pushing the policies which will benefit all in South Africa .It is this militancy which make the people of Alexandra-Diepsloot and other disadvantage areas to have hope that indeed a better life is around the corner. Instead of listen carefully to what the youth league is saying we are labelling them as "hyenas trying to hijack working class".Why can't we approach them and work together with them to advance working class aspiration?Everyday we are shouting that Labour Brokers must be abolished and capitalist respond by saying they will regulate them while the poor employees are suffering.If we can join forces with YL I think labour Brokers will be abolished as yesteryear.It is sad to hear liberation movement formations calling each other names.The white monopoly is pleased that there is a division amongst liberation movement.We wont achieve our goals with this kind of situation.Thobela Your's in working class struggle, Kau Rasehlo >>> "bethuel mmutle" <[email protected]> 2011/06/21 03:38 PM >>> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:32:42 +0000 [email protected] wrote Clearly there is no understanding! ANCYL fact that is strata within NDR/Motive Force presumably the Working Class, I fail to believe that theirs should be subjected to AIDS-HIV. Even series of Trade Union they are engaged in this thing which I don't want mention, in various structural meeting and congresses, those who claim to advocate working class struggle decided to incentify themselves in attending meetings for wrong reasons. As youth delegates I would suggest that survey be conducted in relation the ratio of what is happening in Trade Union meeting and this labour aristocrats are sleeping around with delegates and its immoral. So there is huge vacuum which ANCYL remains correct. Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless deviceCDE VANGUARD MAY YOU PLS PROOF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, DE FACT REMAIN ANCYL IS NOT A CLASS BUT A SECTOR. MAY YOU PLEASE STOP TALKING GOSPEL OF YOUR TRUE MINDS ------------------------- From: "Siyabonga Charles Zama" Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:12:29 +0200 To: ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL workingclassleadershipplans As young working youth we must join COSATU and SACP and defend the struggle for the working class, hyenas wearing skin are trying to hijack it. The YL must start talking about education and skills for young people,HIV/AIDS must be at center of our struggle as we approach the centenary. This tendency of dodging political classes is a concern, Truly and clear Julius does not understand what is meant when we say the SACP is the vanguard of the working class. We need to deal this power obsession, some people are very obsessed with power. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:56 PM To: Mshengu Tshabalala Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL workingclassleadershipplans The ANCYL is alliance with YCL,SASCO,COSAS and other progressive youth formations only,comrade we must not bother for what the YL said much in political report of JM,except to focus on youth affair and advance the interest of young ppl,within and outside...if YL has an opinion of function of the working class and what is vanguard about it,they must find youth formations in alliance to them,SACP and COSATU are in alliance with the ANC,and they know and better understand each other organisationally. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ------------------------- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:11:30 +0000 To: ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL workingclassleadershipplans I believe that it can, provided they expressly state that young workers should be part of labour formations and unions Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ------------------------- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:09:56 +0000 To: ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL workingclassleadership plans Thank you Skhumbuzo, Am I correct in saying that not all youths that work are active in the struggle of the working class. Will this stance of the ANCYL not strength the struggle by re-energising the youth into being active no more than ever when it comes to their work places? Or am I missing it completely. Regards, Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ------------------------- From: Sikhumbuzo Thomo Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:35:36 +0200 To: ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL working classleadership plans Hi @ Lwandiso; Please look at it this way in the struggle there is a class and strata components. Ordinarily the youth form part of a strata and a constituent of the ANCYL this however does not rule out the fact that there are young working youth which does not equate the ANCYL therefore to be the bearer let alone a vanguard of the the working class (which is the main objective of the Party). It is a complete different ball game my comrade. ST On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Ntokozo Lwandle wrote: Cdes, I can see, we are now beginning to have a youth league that wants to be everything and deal with everything all at once. believe omce ANCYL begin to tackle everything, the focus on youth issues will dissapear and the chances are very litle will be achived by this new strategy. Another danger is ANCYL loosing identity. On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:37:09 +0000 [email protected] [2] wrote > Adv Matoti my lord, let me assist u by saying, in fact what is the charactor > of the ANC YL equally what is the working class? The ANC YL can't lead the > working struggle, in particular by someone who TALK LEFT & WALK RIGHT... I > quote "Mbeki he is a bad man in South Africa Sept 2008 in Peteritzburg JZ > case" and in Polokwana 2011 PGC l quote "Mbeki is a good man we must be no > jealous abt him, he is a product of the Movement" we can't allow some > individuals to divert the working class struggle... Amen > Ndura Gceba 0829733496 > "lf u are tremble with indegination at every injustice then u are a comrade > of mine" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lwandiso Matoti > Sender: [email protected] [4] > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:02:57 > To: > Reply-To: [email protected] [6] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP, Cosatu slam ANCYL working class > leadership plans > > Receive my revolutionary greetings, > > Please excuse my ignorance but does the working class exclude the youth? > > Regards, > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Lebogang Tutubalang > wrote: > > comrades the statement of ancyl president of saying they will take over > > unions and lead workers in their work station is political recklessness. it > > is politically correct for the president to understand the character of the > > ancyl, because if t remember very correctly, the constitution of the ancyl > > spells very clearly that, the structure is the vanguard for the interest of > > the youth in this country . it cant be correct that this statement should > > be > > left unchallenged because it had the capacity mislead and dish out the > > revolution in which some of workers defended with their own life. comrades > > must be taught alliance traditions because there is a platform were this > > issues can be debated. > > > > i hold the view that, the president should be hauled before the > > disciplinary > > committee for this reckless statements he continues to utter. it is known > > in > > the structures of the movement that, comrade president his disciplinary > > action is long over due. militancy of the ancyl should no be viewed ill > > discipline because two concepts are not the same. the structure has mammoth > > task to engage in this country which included national Conference > > resolution which need to be implemented radically to advance agenda of the > > young people, not of the working class. amandla > > SACP, Cosatu slam ANCYL working class leadership plans > > > > > > Stephen Grootes, EyeWitness News, Johannesburg, 20 June 2011 > > > > Both the Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) and the South > > African Communist Party (SACP) have slammed the ANC Youth League's plans to > > take over their role in leading the working class. > > > > Speaking at the Youth Wings conference in Midrand, Julius Malema said they > > will target the workplace. 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