Well said cde Palesa. Everybody must know his/her line of operation. On Wed Jun 22nd, 2011 10:01 AM EDT Palesa Motshoene wrote:
>The ANCYL just needs to focus on the mandate of the youth and not just of >the youth who are members of the ANCYL, but the youth of this country >generally, Nationalisation of mines, land reform, etc...I have got nothing >gainst these issues but how do these things benefit the ordinary youth of >this country??? > >If you want to forcefully take back land from people, have you got a >strategy in place on how that land will benefit the community, do we have >skilled people or rather youth who will be able to work, manage and run >those farms(Did it work in Zimbabwe, seeing that the inspiration is coming >for there? > >What about nationalisation of mines(Did it work in Zambia or maybe >nationalistaion in S.A. will be a different case?), already we have mines >that are failing, that are not run and managed properly, where miners are >not paid properly, the working conditions, leave much to be desired, how >will the youth gain from it...??? > >I am talking about the struggling youth who is in high school, who >probably hasn't eaten the whole day and goes home to find that there is no >food and is expected to wake up the following day and concentrate at >school...or the young school girl, who is having to fend for herself and her >family by working at night as a call girl, just so that they can have food >on the table??? The matric student who is probably doing well at school but >is not too sure if they will ever be able to enter the doors of a varsity??? >The teenager who is embattled in the addiction of drugs...the underage >teenager who now frequent at parties, clubs and are exposed to alcohol, >drugs and unprotected sex, running the risk of being pregnant or even >contracting HIV/AIDS...What about them??? > >Why is there no emphasise on such issues, before we start at the >'workplace', we need to start from primary, high school to tertiary and >engage and organise young people to be part of the movement, the whole PYA >structure. How does the ANCYL pronounce to be the 'VANGUARD' of the working >class and since when...??? It is very opportunistic and spits in the face of >the SACP and COSATU! > >Young people want to see change but they too need to get involved, complaing >is not enough if there are no solutions to these problems... > >For me personally, the ANCYL of today is definately not a vanguard of the >working class or the youth, my heart bleeds...maybe the ANCYL of the late. >cdes. Walter Sisulu, Oliver Tambo, Anton Lembede and the likes, who were >fighting for a just cause and the class of 1976! > >The struggle forever continues, Amandla!!! > >On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:38 PM, bethuel mmutle <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:32:42 +0000 [email protected] wrote >> >> Clearly there is no understanding! >> >> ANCYL fact that is strata within NDR/Motive Force presumably the Working >> Class, I fail to believe that theirs should be subjected to AIDS-HIV. >> >> Even series of Trade Union they are engaged in this thing which I don't >> want mention, in various structural meeting and congresses, those who claim >> to advocate working class struggle decided to incentify themselves in >> attending meetings for wrong reasons. >> >> As youth delegates I would suggest that survey be conducted in relation the >> ratio of what is happening in Trade Union meeting and this labour >> aristocrats are sleeping around with delegates and its immoral. So there is >> huge vacuum which ANCYL remains correct. >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless deviceCDE VANGUARD MAY YOU PLS PROOF WHAT >> YOU ARE SAYING, DE FACT REMAIN ANCYL IS NOT A CLASS BUT A SECTOR. MAY YOU >> PLEASE STOP TALKING GOSPEL OF YOUR TRUE MINDS >> ------------------------------ >> >> From: "Siyabonga Charles Zama" <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:12:29 +0200 >> To: <[email protected]> >> ReplyTo: [email protected] >> Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL >> workingclassleadershipplans >> >> As young working youth we must join COSATU and SACP and defend the struggle >> for the working class, hyenas wearing skin are trying to hijack it. The YL >> must start talking about education and skills for young people,HIV/AIDS must >> be at center of our struggle as we approach the centenary. This tendency of >> dodging political classes is a concern, Truly and clear Julius does not >> understand what is meant when we say the SACP is the vanguard of the >> working class. We need to deal this power obsession, some people are very >> obsessed with power. >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:56 PM >> To: Mshengu Tshabalala >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL >> workingclassleadershipplans >> >> >> >> The ANCYL is alliance with YCL,SASCO,COSAS and other progressive youth >> formations only,comrade we must not bother for what the YL said much in >> political report of JM,except to focus on youth affair and advance the >> interest of young ppl,within and outside...if YL has an opinion of function >> of the working class and what is vanguard about it,they must find youth >> formations in alliance to them,SACP and COSATU are in alliance with the >> ANC,and they know and better understand each other organisationally. >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> Sender: [email protected] >> >> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:11:30 +0000 >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> ReplyTo: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL >> workingclassleadershipplans >> >> >> >> I believe that it can, provided they expressly state that young workers >> should be part of labour formations and unions >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> >> From: [email protected] >> >> Sender: [email protected] >> >> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:09:56 +0000 >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> ReplyTo: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL >> workingclassleadership plans >> >> >> >> Thank you Skhumbuzo, >> >> Am I correct in saying that not all youths that work are active in the >> struggle of the working class. >> >> Will this stance of the ANCYL not strength the struggle by re-energising >> the youth into being active no more than ever when it comes to their work >> places? >> >> Or am I missing it completely. >> >> Regards, >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> >> From: Sikhumbuzo Thomo <[email protected]> >> >> Sender: [email protected] >> >> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 09:35:36 +0200 >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> ReplyTo: [email protected] >> >> Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP , Cosatu slam ANCYL working >> classleadership plans >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> >> >> @ Lwandiso; Please look at it this way in the struggle there is a class >> and strata components. Ordinarily the youth form part of a strata and a >> constituent of the ANCYL this however does not rule out the fact that there >> are young working youth which does not equate the ANCYL therefore to be the >> bearer let alone a vanguard of the the working class (which is the main >> objective of the Party). It is a complete different ball game my comrade. >> >> >> >> ST >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Ntokozo Lwandle < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Cdes, I can see, we are now beginning to have a youth league that wants to >> be >> everything and deal with everything all at once. believe omce ANCYL begin >> to >> tackle everything, the focus on youth issues will dissapear and the chances >> are >> very litle will be achived by this new strategy. Another danger is ANCYL >> loosing identity. >> >> On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 06:37:09 +0000 [email protected] wrote >> >> >> > Adv Matoti my lord, let me assist u by saying, in fact what is the >> charactor >> > of the ANC YL equally what is the working class? The ANC YL can't lead >> the >> > working struggle, in particular by someone who TALK LEFT & WALK RIGHT... >> I >> > quote "Mbeki he is a bad man in South Africa Sept 2008 in Peteritzburg JZ >> > case" and in Polokwana 2011 PGC l quote "Mbeki is a good man we must be >> no >> > jealous abt him, he is a product of the Movement" we can't allow some >> > individuals to divert the working class struggle... Amen >> > Ndura Gceba 0829733496 >> > "lf u are tremble with indegination at every injustice then u are a >> comrade >> > of mine" >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Lwandiso Matoti <[email protected]> >> > Sender: [email protected]<yclsa-eom-forum@googlegr+oups.com> >> > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:02:57 >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Reply-To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] SACP, Cosatu slam ANCYL working class >> > leadership plans >> > >> > Receive my revolutionary greetings, >> > >> > Please excuse my ignorance but does the working class exclude the youth? >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Lebogang Tutubalang >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > comrades the statement of ancyl president of saying they will take over >> > > unions and lead workers in their work station is political reckles >> sness. it >> >> > > is politically correct for the president to understand the character of >> the >> > > ancyl, because if t remember very correctly, the constitution of the >> ancyl >> > > spells very clearly that, the structure is the vanguard for the >> interest of >> > > the youth in this country . it cant be correct that this statement >> should >> > > be >> > > left unchallenged because it had the capacity mislead and dish out the >> > > revolution in which some of workers defended with their own life. >> comrades >> > > must be taught alliance traditions because there is a platform were >> this >> > > issues can be debated. >> > > >> > > i hold the view that, the president should be hauled before the >> > > disciplinary >> > > committee for this reckless statements he continues to utter. it is >> known >> > > in >> > > the structures of the movement that, comrade president his disciplinary >> > > action is long over due. militancy of the ancyl should no be viewed ill >> > > discipline because two concepts are not the same. the structure has >> mammoth >> > > task to engage in this country which included national Conference >> > > resolution which need to be implemented radically to advance agenda of >> the >> > > young people, not of the working class. amandla >> > > SACP, Cosatu slam ANCYL working class leadership plans >> > > >> > > >> > > Stephen Grootes, EyeWitness News, Johannesburg, 20 June 2011 >> > > >> > > Both the Congress of South African Trade Unions (Cosatu) and the South >> > > African Communist Party (SACP) have slammed the ANC Youth League's >> plans to >> > > take over their role in leading the working class. >> > > >> > > Speaking at the Youth Wings conference in Midrand, Julius Malema said >> they >> > > will target the workplace. He said workers were failed by the very >> > > organisations that were supposed to represent them. >> > > >> > > However, the SACP said the league cannot lead the working class as it >> is >> > > not >> > > a workers' organisation. It said the league can only talk about land >> reform >> > > because of the programmes the party started in 2005. >> > > >> > > Cosatu's Patrick Craven said they reject claims that they are failing >> in >> > > their mandate. >> > > >> > > “We are by far the biggest, most powerful and most influential >> organisation >> > > representing the workers and I’m quite confident that we will continue >> to >> > > play that role,” he added. >> > > >> > > Cosatu leaders will discuss Malema's claims next week. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > From: >> > > http://www.eyewitnessnews.co.za/Story.aspx?Id=68413<http:%20//www.eyewitnessnews.co.za/Story.aspx?Id=68413> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > You are subscribed. 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