Sinethemba please DONT WASTE OUR TIME On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Sinethemba Godongwana < [email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 20:58:48 +0000 [email protected] wrote > > > Why would nationalisation should be Malema's issue, if you really a ANCYL > member not masquarrading as such, you would probably know that the matter > matter was disucssed and resolved in 2008 Nasrec ANCYL Congress. Secondly > why would ANCYL consult Blade and Shabangu, for what good reason or you are > a rented Spokesperson for them. Convince this forum for your naive > atterances. > > > Well written Sive, you raise some key questions. > > I have to agree with you on the education part and the fact that this > nationalization must be not be an individual thing or a yl thing but > different sectors of society need to be involved. > > Regards, > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > ------------------------------ > From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 22:33:03 +0200 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Educate to nationalize, not nationalize to > exploit - Sive Gumenge > > Educate to nationalize, not nationalize to exploit > > > Sive Gumenge, CPUT graduate and SASCO, ANCYL and Young Communist League > member > > The ANC Youth League’s call for the nationalization of mines has overlooked > the real phenomenon concerning “economic freedom”. The ANCYL was > interested in missing it, for reasons known by them. > > Everyone is conscious of the economic situation in South Africa. The > unemployment rate released recently by the Labour Force Survey sky rocketed > 25.3%, meaning 4.41 million people are jobless. > > ANC YL President Julius Malema should not flatter South African working > class and the poor with calls that he, more than them, has a direct interest > in. The call for economic freedom was long ago made and even the desire to > nationalize. This was long before Malema could begin technical drawings in > his woodwork class. It must not suddenly be escalated beyond other thing s > because some fat capitalists in the mining industry are feeling the belt is > loosening down. > > To be quite frank, Malema is only representing the interests of those in > the mining industry within the ANC leadership when he shouts and screams > nationalization of mines and of course concern about the little stake he > will get if it succeeds. > > Therefore, he should not even attempt to exploit the name of young people > because young South Africans are far from being interested in > nationalization of mines besides demanding free quality and decent education > and training which will marshal decent jobs. The youth of South Africa is > not narrow-minded to be calling for nationalization of a dead industry that > will not bear any worthy fruits for them except wasting their energies, time > and skills. > > The youth of South Africa, recognizes very well that access to decent > education and training is essential for the completion of the liberation > struggle, whose foundation must usher economic freedom as Minister of Higher > Education and Training promised in his budget vote of 2011/12. > > What Malema does not understand is that mining includes a number of skills > which the country is still grappling with and falling short of. It must be > made known that abolishment of technical colleges could be one of the > significant blunders of the South African government in terms of skills > training and development. Malema should have been raising this now ahead of > nationalization of mines. The Universities of Technology are still far from > producing South African artisans with engineering science, planning and > structural drawing and all other engineering-related skills. > > Consequently, as young South Africans or youth of the working class we must > ask ourselves: In whose interest is this nationalisation? We have seen that > th e National Planning Commission of South African government is not fond of > it, let alone the ANC itself. > > I think that beyond the Youth League’s lack of an economic advisor, Malema > should in any case have consulted the Ministry of Minerals and Energy, The > Mining Qualifications Authority and COSATU in terms of workers’ exploitation > in the mining industry. Malema should also have consulted the Ministry of > Higher Education and Training on the role being played today by merged > institutions such as those of Technology in producing skilled artisans with > capacity and ability of sustaining the mines of the country through skills > production. The ANC YL insults every person who has a different opinion > to them. But these institutions are better placed to inform us as a country > whether we are ready or not. > > In line with the latter, they should have engaged the Progressive Youth > Alliance partners such as SASCO on the model of free education they demand > and its link to skills development, and the YCL in its call for Jobs for > Youth, as to where do you they see a job market for young people. Then > engaging ESKOM in detailing future energy possibilities with the mines being > nationalized to avoid deaths in the mines one day when blackouts arise would > have put the cherry on top before screaming and kicking in our ears. Thus, > the working class youth should follow the ideas of Joe Slovo when he said, > “It is, in any case, a basic maxim of working class revolutionary strategy > that, at every stage, it is necessary to maximize the forces which can be > mobilized against the ruling class around a principled common immediate > programme”. > > Hence therefore, I think the nationalisation of mines issue should be > engaged by the greater part of society rather than Malema threatening the > leadership of ANC to support the capitalist bailout programme. Thus I say if > M alema was genuine, he would be first raising key issues relating to > nationalisation of mines such as protection of workers in the mines. How do > you nationalise mines if workers are not fully protected? Workers in the > mines, everyday complain about being exploited and low salaries, yet the > Malema thinks we think his call is legit. > > Karl Marx argues that, “the history of all hitherto existing society, is > the history of class struggle”. Thus it will not change workers being > exploited in the mines even if the state could own 60% and private ownership > 40%. This percentage sharing is about capitalists being protected by the > state, even if their mines are collapsing. Therefore they will do whatever > it takes to sustain their mining proceeds and exploitation of workers will > therefore not stop because of nationalisation. > > Reality is that young people today are interested in decent jobs than > working in the mines because of wha t they witnessed on their fathers, > uncles, etc. > > Basically, Malema’s interest is to exploit the youth for his own > capitalists interests rather than educating it for better nationalization. > There are nationalised parastatals here such as SABC, SAA and ESKOM, we must > ask the big question as to, what is happening with them? Their boards are > collapsing everyday and their CEO’s are resigning everyday with golden > handshakes instead of the money being given to workers for salary increases. > Even within the mining industry, there are companies such as AURORA which > Malema is silent about. Everybody knows that mines are in debt and yet > Malema wants South Africa to waste its money and energy in such an industry. > > > Let us therefore as young people of South Africa take the debate to the > public and seek to understand what you people want from the ANC. Is it > nationalised mines or nationalised decent education which will lead to > decent job? > > For Socialism, > > > Sive Gumenge > Cape Town > Western Cape > 0768945800 > CPUT graduate and SASCO, ANCYL and Young Communist League member > > > > > > -- > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to > this message. > You can visit the group WEB SITE at > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery > options, pages, files and membership. > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. > You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to > put anything in the message part. 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