Greetings comrades Comrade Mabunda, I see in your last statement regarding the apology from the journalist you say "we demand a public apology", who is we?
If I can be clarified my comrade without any amount of insult, just straight to the point. Bongani (Bazuka) On 7/13/11, Klaas Nono Mabunda <[email protected]> wrote: > I read and saw comrades in this forum even the National Leadership of the > ANC going on and on about this encounter between Cde. Floyd and Journalist. > However, the point we are deliberately failing to step on is that the > discussion or conversation between the two wasn't in a Boardroom or a Press > Conference or any properly recognized forum where spokespersons and > Journalist met through an invite to share an information on some matters. > The insult as its been put, occurred on a cell phone where the Journalist > called and imposed himself on Floyd with questions which Floyd as the > National Spokesperson of the ANCYL was not at any liberty to divulge, > apparently "No Comment" wasn't loud enough in the ears of the Journalist and > kept on bulldozing his way to getting the answers which Floyd didn't have > privilege to share with the Media if in case such incidents occurred. > To start on a sober clarity of these matters, one has to remind those who > feel that Floyd has tarnished the ethics of Communication especially within > the ranks of the ANC that as in when such an encounter was on Floyd 's Cell > phone [Personal phone] NOT an ANCYL Office Line, that to cement the ulterior > motive from the Journalist he taped the Call from the word go whilst knowing > that he is invading Floyd 's private space. > Cde. Baleka and most subscribers on the YCLSA Discussion Forum are turning a > blind eye and throw missiles at an unarmed Floyd instead of addressing the > National Press Club to discipline and teach the Journalist to avoid > provoking Spokespersons and crushing their private space. > We equally cannot condone the use of the "F" word from anybody within our > ranks but Floyd cannot be made to apologize on basis of succumbing to > threats as it will boost Journalists to go beyond limits if and when they > need a story. > However, if apologizing should arise it will mean that both Floyd and the > Journalist should apologize to each other, but the Journalist should > publicly apologize to the South African Citizens for dragging his private > communication with Floyd to the public with an intention to discredit the > ANCYL and as in when he could wage a successful battle in discrediting the > ANCYL, it will pass on to the PYA and Tripatite Alliance in its entirety, > let's not allow being Narrow brained. > We demand a public apology from the Journalist as he brought insults to the > public, we are tired of Journalists creating a moral less society. > > Kgotso ga atele batho > > > > "Manhood is climbing a mountain of vertical path" > > -----Original Message----- > From: thabo mathiba <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:26:23 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL's Floyd swears at journalist > > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Siphokuhle Dludla > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Comrades icondone the reaction of cde floyd, this thingys (jurnos) >> were realy undermining floly, how can you call a national spokesperson >> Malema spokesperson slated over F-word2011-07-12 22:24 >> >> <http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Floyd-Shivambu-slated-over-F-word-20110712#><http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Floyd-Shivambu-slated-over-F-word-20110712#> >> <http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Floyd-Shivambu-slated-over-F-word-20110712#><http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Floyd-Shivambu-slated-over-F-word-20110712#>[image: >> line] >> <http://www.news24.com/sendToFriend.aspx?iframe&aid=ae065398-e54f-4af9-9813-18bb5243648c&cid=1057> >> Related Links >> >> - Malema forks out R78 000 in cash for 5-star >> break<http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Malema-forks-out-R78-000-in-cash-for-5-star-break-20110711> >> - Shivambu files papers in Equality >> Court<http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Shivambu-files-papers-in-Equality-Court-20110413> >> >> Johannesburg - It is "unacceptable" for anyone speaking on behalf >> of the ANC to swear to get their point across, ANC chairperson *Baleka >> Mbete* <http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/baleka-mbete-929> said on Tuesday. >> >> She was responding to questions about ANC Youth League spokesperson *Floyd >> Shivambu* <http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/nyiko-floyd-shivambu-33663> who >> reportedly said "fuck you" to a journalist who called him about a story. >> >> "I totally disagree with any bad language being used by anybody who is >> communicating on behalf of any part of the ANC," she said at a media >> briefing at Luthuli House, Johannesburg central. >> >> "I think that's regrettable, its not language to be used... I'm saying >> anybody expressing themselves in a way that's swearing at anybody, it is >> unacceptable. >> >> "You don't use language like that, you don't have to swear at people or be >> rude to people to make your point. >> >> "You can make your point using decent language." >> >> *I don't have a problem* >> >> Media 24 Investigations journalist Jacques Dommisse called Shivambu to >> speak to ANCYL president *Julius >> Malema*<http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/julius-malema-8930>about a supposedly >> lavish three-day safari he took before the league's >> elective conference last month. >> >> The conversation "turned ugly". >> >> "I said fuck you," Shivambu can be heard saying on a *recording made by >> Dommisse*<http://www.news24.com/Galleries/Video/Videos/South%20Africa/ANCYL%20spokesperson%20swears%20at%20journalist/7f150e4a62804ec69834163bf93dc5f1/ANCYLs-Floyd-swears-at-journalist> >> . >> >> Dommisse then asked if he was swearing at him, Shivambu replied "yes". >> >> "Why do you do that," said Dommisse. >> >> "Because you cannot force yourself to speak to people if they do not speak >> to you, what is your problem?" said Shibamvu. >> >> "I do not have a problem," said Dommisse. >> >> "Fuck you," said Shivambu. >> >> *Out of line* >> >> The National Press Club condemned Shivambu's comments, saying his >> behaviour >> was "totally unacceptable and completely out of line". >> >> "Shivambu must apologise to the reporter for swearing at him," chairperson >> of the press club, *Yusuf >> Abramjee*<http://www.whoswhosa.co.za/yusuf-abramjee-26175>said in a >> statement. >> >> "The media has a job to do and we will not sit back and watch our >> colleagues being abused. This is a very unfortunate event and the National >> Press Club is shocked by this." >> >> He also called on the ANCYL to discipline Shivambu. >> >> It is not the first time the league spokesman landed in hot water over his >> allegedly foul mouth. He is also accused of calling Independent Newspapers >> political reporter, Carien du Plessis "stupid" and a "white bitch" via >> sms. >> >> She has approached the Equality Court over the texts. >> >> - SAPA >> >> *Read more on: * *anc <http://www.news24.com/Tags/Companies/anc>* | >> *baleka >> mbete <http://www.news24.com/Tags/People/baleka_mbete>* | *floyd shivambu >> <http://www.news24.com/Tags/People/floyd_shivambu>* >> of the league and demand to speak to the president whilst the >> spokesperson has been entrusted to publicise the leagues day to day >> activities, and views. These people here must be taught never to >> undermine energetic,militant and radical revolutionar foot soldiers of >> the left , and you cannot by whatsoever compare what floyd said to >> hooliganism >> >> On 7/12/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> > If floyd thinks that what he did was revolutionary he is a fool. >> > Irrespective of whether we agree with him or not as a person or a >> national >> > leader of our beloved organisation, his conduct puts the name of the >> ANCYL >> > into disrepute and he must be charged for misconduct. But anyway who am >> > I >> to >> > speak of discipline and good conduct? These days anarchy and Hooliganism >> is >> > seen as revolutionary by some within our quarters. >> > >> > Floyd just lost many more sympathizers and very soon he will even lose >> the >> > sympathy of his own surrogates and sychophants. >> > >> > We shall wait and see... >> > >> > Sent from my Nokia phone >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Mlaba, Bheki >> > Sent: 12/07/2011 3:43:18 pm >> > Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL's Floyd swears at journalist >> > >> > Cde Thobela to me that JD should have just listen to what Floyd sad and >> > perhaps call some other time when the President is willing to speak to >> > him, not to push the spokesperson to allow him to speak to Malema just >> > because he is a journalist and Malema is a politician, I totally differ >> > with that view comrade >> > >> > >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thobela Mahijana >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:31 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL's Floyd swears at journalist >> > >> > >> > >> > Cde Mlaba Bheki theres nothing wrong with the journalist to want to get >> > a story out of you because thats their duty to look for stories, its up >> > to a person to control his or her words when speaking to journos, Floyd >> > should know better. >> > >> > I dont get it thou why you defend Floyd instead of defending the victim >> > which in this case is this poor journalist, I think we must learn to be >> > honest cdes and stop making some people to be above others. what Floyd >> > did to me is uncalled for. >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Mlaba, Bheki >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > This journalist needs to learn to listen and stop undermining the ANYCL >> > Spokesperson, there is nothing wrong Floyd did, coz JD didn't want to >> > listen he got what he wanted. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> > [email protected] >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:09 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL's Floyd swears at journalist >> > >> > >> > >> > Floyd is absolutely correct these media junkies violate our space. Dr. >> > Shasha >> > >> > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> > >> >________________________________ >> > >> > From: Wagy Lebese <[email protected]> >> > >> > Sender: [email protected] >> > >> > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:52:41 +0200 >> > >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > >> > ReplyTo: [email protected] >> > >> > Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL's Floyd swears at journalist >> > >> > >> > >> > If this is indeed true that cde Floyd said these words to the journalist >> > then it is nothing compared to the agent incident that cde Julius got >> > himself involved in. >> > >> >________________________________ >> > >> > From: Lerato Motimele <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Tue, 7/12/2011 1:37pm >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL's Floyd swears at journalist >> > >> > Comrades let us not promote such behaviours. Those who call themselves >> > leaders should be stoical and not easily angered. Floyd's behaviour >> > cannot (if it true) be accepted in any way whatsoever. If he cannot >> > lead himself, he cannot be expected to lead others. And I expect all >> > Marxists on this forum as disciplinarians to condemn this kind of >> > behaviour. >> > >> > >> > >> > Amadla!! >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:17 PM, sello Tladi <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Jacques got what he wanted.If this Jacques listened when Floyd told >> > him that Malema can't talk to him so because he can't hear smart words >> > let him hear harsh words.Jacques undermined Floyd as the Spokesperson >> > because whatever organisational related comment he was seeking from >> > Julius he could still get it from him as he is entrusted with the >> > organisational mandate to publicise organisational views and policies >> > through the media. >> > >> > Jacques is furthering the conspiracy to dived the leadership of >> > "Economic fighters".Remember that few days before the ANCYL conference >> > Business Day ran a faceless story that Julius wants replace Floyd >> > after the conference.So such issues will always surface to take >> > peoples minds away from the important national debates. >> > >> > Sello >> > >> > On 7/12/11, thabo mathiba <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> lol,no comment,doesnt malema to have a rigth to privacy? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:13 PM, matankana mothapo < >> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> News <http://www.citypress.co.za/SouthAfrica> | >> >>> Features<http://www.citypress.co.za/SouthAfrica/Features> >> >>> Politics Homepage <http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics> >> >>> Sport Homepage <http://www.citypress.co.za/Sport> >> >>> Entertainment Homepage <http://www.citypress.co.za/Entertainment> | >> >>> Lifestyle <http://www.citypress.co.za/Lifestyle> | >> >>> Motoring<http://www.citypress.co.za/Motoring> >> >>> Business Homepage <http://www.citypress.co.za/Business> >> >>> Editorials <http://www.citypress.co.za/Opinions/Editorials> | >> >>> Columnists<http://www.citypress.co.za/Columnists> >> >>> | Blogs <http://www.citypress.co.za/Opinions/Blogs> | >> >>> Cartoons<http://www.citypress.co.za/Galleries/Image/Images/Cartoons> >> >>> Letters <http://www.citypress.co.za/MyCityPress/Letters> | Your >> >>> Story<http://www.citypress.co.za/MyCityPress/YourStory> >> >>> News24 <http://www.news24.com/> | The >> > Witness<http://www.witness.co.za/> >> >>> | Rapport <http://www.rapport.co.za/> | >> >>> Sondag<http://www.sondag.co.za/> >> >>> Local Elections <http://www.citypress.co.za/Local-Elections-2011> | >> >>> State >> >>> of the >> >>> >> > Nation<http://www.citypress.co.za/SouthAfrica/State-of-the-Nation-2011> >> >>> | Madiba <http://www.citypress.co.za/nelson-mandela> >> >>> Audio: ANCYL's Floyd swears at journalist2011-07-12 09:50 >> >>> [image: Share] [image: >> >>> >> > Email]<http://www.citypress.co.za/sendToFriend.aspx?iframe&aid=7680380f- >> > e421-41cb-802e-608bf0d04c39&cid=2259>[image: >> >>> Print] >> >>> ANC Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu has taken a journalist >> > to >> >>> task for requesting comment from the organisation's leader Julius >> > Malema. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> A transcript of the telephone conversation between reporter Jacques >> >>> Dommisse (JD) and ANC Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu (FS) >> >>> requesting comment from Malema. >> >>> >> >>> JD: So, why did you put the phone down? >> >>> FS: Hey? >> >>> >> >>> JD: Why did you put the phone down? >> >>> FS: Hey man. You are doing a wild goose chase. I say that if you want >> > to >> >>> go >> >>> ahead and write, go ahead and write because he won't speak to you. It >> >>> never >> >>> happened, okay? He [Malema] doesn't want to talk to you. >> >>> >> >>> JD: Why will you not let me speak to Malema? >> >>> FS: I said he doesn't want to. Why must he speak to you? He has no >> >>> obligation to speak to you. >> >>> >> >>> JD: Because he is a politician. >> >>> FS: Yes, but I said no. You cannot force people to speak to you. >> >>> >> >>> JD: I don't understand? >> >>> FS: He will not speak to you. You cannot force someone to speak to >> > you if >> >>> they do not want to speak to you. He does not want to speak to you. I >> > have >> >>> just spoken to him. >> >>> >> >>> JD: How do you know he doesn't want to speak to me? >> >>> FS: Because I just spoke to him now. >> >>> >> >>> JD: How do you mean you have just spoken with him? I don't >> > understand. >> >>> FS: Fuck you. >> >>> >> >>> JD: Say again? >> >>> FS: I said: "Fuck you" >> >>> >> >>> JD: Are you swearing at me? >> >>> FS: Yes. >> >>> >> >>> JD: Why are you doing that? >> >>> FS: What is your problem? >> >>> >> >>> JD: I have no problem. >> >>> FS: Fuck you. Fuck off, ok. >> >>> >> >>> JD: Oh, so you now said it for the fourth time? >> >>> FS: Yes. >> >>> >> >>> JD: Can you please give me a contact number for Julius Malema? >> >>> FS: I don't want. >> >>> >> >>> JD. Ok. Thank-you. Goodbye. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >> >>> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or >> > reply to >> >>> this message. >> >>> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >> >>> options, pages, files and membership. >> >>> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email >> > [email protected]. >> >>> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. 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