Phosa, an anti-constitutionalist or factionalist power monger? The man says implementation of the constitution is "stealing". If Phosa is to be taken seriously then the fight against crime and corruption must be abandoned and ANC 2009 manifesto must be disregarded. Worst form of opportunism and divisive tendency indeed.
Sent by AlexM ________________________________ From: Vincent Masoga <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:47:38 +0200 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC NATIONAL OFFICIALS STATEMENT Another problem is that we have allowed space for imbeciles like Julius Malema to play too much in the public space with his compartmentalized intellectual capacity in so far as understanding the basis or foundation of our commitment to the constitution as a country in adhering to the fundamentals of human rights, a government that serves its citizens through democratic electoral mandates and not some parasitic pseudoBEE populist serving machinery they have turned Limpopo to be. Him and his ilk have further reduced intellectual discourse into mere insults and shallow arguments labeling our cadres white messiahs, yellow communists, etc. Now there is this thing of saying the opponents of his sycophant Lebogo at Limpopo are fed with flour cooked meat and christmas beetroot and don't deserve to lead... One thing is for sure, the carpet is being slowly pulled out of the prodigal trouble some son, whom it looked to some of us Idi Amin was a joke compared to his leadership. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tuis Dumisani <[email protected]> wrote: Comrades it looks like we need more political education serious, the Cabinet, including the President gets their mandate from the NEC and communicated by the officials and cabinet report to the official of the ANC and the official reports to the NEC. Cabinet cannot take decisions of that nature without getting a go ahead from the officials and Cde Phosa is part of the officials of the ANC and he cannot have contrary view on what the officials have agreed upon and that therefore means he is an opportunist and ill discipline, simple. The officials of the ANC decides to charge Cde Malema and in return Cde Phosa go and defend the same Cde that he himself as part of the officials have agreed to charge and that is opportunistic Dumisani Tuis- Court Manager Department of Justice & Constitutional Development-Victoria West Office Tel: +2753-6210007 <tel:%2B2753-6210007> Fax: 0865070204 Cell: +27736430439 <tel:%2B27736430439> "The possibility that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just"- Abraham Lincoln ________________________________ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 1:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC NATIONAL OFFICIALS STATEMENT Comrades, Expressing an opinion on the matter that is still in process as NEC member will definitely impede on the impartiality of the process and might be assumed to be a view of the structure you form part of. Boingotlo! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ________________________________ From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 08:43:11 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC NATIONAL OFFICIALS STATEMENT Thank you Thabo for that. My questions is this then, were the NEC members instructed in one of their meetings not to say anything about Limpompo and not to make any comments that relate to Julius Malema? I remain, Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ________________________________ From: Thabo Mathiba <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:35:28 +0200 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC NATIONAL OFFICIALS STATEMENT Cdres in trying to close this and not bottlenecking anyone,Gs said yesterday morning on SA FM,that comrade Phosa was as comrades are allowed to differ and argue in the closed nec meetings,but once a position and direction are took,it isthen binding to all and all anc structures.simple as that. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:05 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: Cde Linda,I want to remind you about one of Polokwane resolutions,that ANC must revive links with all liberation movements,that is why various ANC delegations are criss crossing African continent. It is my humble submission that you must retract your statement as it borders factionalism. Regards. Manelisi Tyatyantsi Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "linda schalk" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 05:14:24 To: [email protected]<[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC NATIONAL OFFICIALS STATEMENT Gwede Mantashe himself once made a reckless statement @some conference supporting another term of ZanuPf in office over Mdc,was his statement made in a capacity of a collective,never heared any talks of him been sacked,suspended or even held accountable,why are people so selective in their approach Sent from iPad -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: 19/01/2012 06:58:09 Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC NATIONAL OFFICIALS STATEMENT My question as how different is Gwede's actions from Phosa's? Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 04:46:01 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC NATIONAL OFFICIALS STATEMENT @ Alex Yes but not publicly! ST Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device -----Original Message----- From: <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 05:16:46 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC NATIONAL OFFICIALS STATEMENT Phosa must be held accountable for his recklessness or factionalism. Sent by AlexM -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 17:17:10 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] ANC NATIONAL OFFICIALS STATEMENT Just to quote the Treasurer General of the ANC comrade Matthews Phosa verbatim during the ANC's centenary celebrations in Limpopo last weekend, the following is what he had to say "Chairperson Cassel Mathele in your other capacity as Premier of the province, some of your powers have been stolen" in clear reference to the intervention by national cabinet to place some of the government departments in Limpopo under administration, so what he implied in my understanding was that, national cabinet as led by President Zuma consists of thieves who stole powers of premier Mathele. So for me these utterances by Matthews Phosa a irresponsible & factional therefore they warrant some form of discipline, for instance he must b forced to retract these statements & apologize publicly for making them or he must b impeached. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail to this address (repeat): [email protected] . -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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