Cdes, i think fundamentally there is nothinhg sinister with the manner in which NUMSA postured themselves because they have stated the obvious of what will happen when ANC hold its congress in Mangaung, that of changing the leadership,that is the truth unless even now cdes their views are also agitated by how media project issues in our midst and start to smell something. It is wrong for our views to be activated by the reporting of a particular journalst and even to aggravate the matter we seem to discuss as if ANC has tended to dictatorial organ that as if there cant be elections of a new leadership in ANC.The alliance in Limpopo indicated the same no one has made bollihoo on it,why should it be that the must be noise now about democratic processes when we know they must take place after every term is over,i mean really comrades,there is absolutely nothing wrong to say the new leadership must be elected,unless there are those who think is wrong to allow congress to elect leadership after the other one has been dissolved in the congress.the interlinkages of the statement with traditional process are mutually inclusive.
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:08:02 +0000 Sibusiso Mimi wrote Cde VC, a question would be can the ANC say the same of NUMSA " what if the ANC NEC resolve or agitate for a change in the leadership of NUMSA? It would wrong, as it would tantamount to medling in the affairs of an independent organisation. Its ok for any group to seek to looby for change in policy in the interest of what they represent but calling for a takeover is taking far and cant be translated into pushing for workers to swell the ranks of the ANC to advance their potential/chance for election and or appointment in strategic centers of power. It (tm)s true that the ANC NEC is riddled with many contradictions " the dominant thinking and class is that which is favourable to Capital unfortunately! And therefore, the call for the swelling of ranks in the ANC should be located within a struggle to have cdes who will represent the aspirations of the working class, the poor in particular. FROM: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] ON BEHALF OF Dominic Tweedie SENT: 28 February 2012 11:58 AM TO: [email protected] SUBJECT: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe If one wanted to be clear, one would have to quote the text of the specific Polokwane resolution, and then make an argument to show how the government had "failed". NUMSA has not done this. Instead, what they have done is to call for a takeover of the ANC, and a takeover of the SACP. These takeovers are not going to happen. Why not let us rather leave NUMSA to stew in its own juice for a few days? We can wait for, and then debate, the ANC Policy Conference discussion documents that are due to be published on Monda.? VC On 28 February 2012 11:39, [email protected] [1] wrote: Numsa is not putting a candidate but its clear on saying that the present NEC failed to implement the Polokwane resolutions. Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Dominic Tweedie Sent: 28/02/2012, 10:03 To: [email protected] [3] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe Please, Cde City, did I miss something? Is NUMSA putting forward a candidate? For what position? Who is that candidate? I think you are mistaken and I am not mistaken, comrade. NUMSA did not name any candidates last week, but in fact they entertained the President of the ANC. The problem here is the "myth of takeover", comrade. As Cde ANC S-G uGwede Mantashe said, discussions can continue, and they do continue, but the idea of a "takeover" of the ANC is a myth. VC On 28 February 2012 09:54, [email protected] [4] wrote: > Cde Tom > When Nehawu through their GS went public in saying they are supporting da > current leadership for 2nd term there was nothing wrong but now when Numsa > bring their view is wrong and dangerous. > Sent from my Nokia phone > -----Original Message----- > From: tom mhlanga > Sent: 27/02/2012, 22:25 > To: [email protected] [6] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] The ANC is at no one's mercy: Mantashe > > > This is the reason why I have great confidence in the SG's leadership > capacity. His ability to clarify matter with informed views is want > the ANC needs at the moment. I dont know if Karl Cloete was speaking > on behalf of NUMSA when he uttered such statement, but my view is that > he is being opportunistic. It is very dangerous for leadership of the > alliance to utter such statement(s) in public without even consulting > each other on such matters. We hope Numsa will in future follow proper > chanels to air their dissenting views with the ruling party rather > than going to the media. > > AMANDLA > > On 2/27/12, Dominic Tweedie wrote: > > > > The New Age > > > > > > *ANC at no one's mercy * > > > > > > *Sapa, The New Age, Johannesburg, 27 February 2012 * > > > > It was dangerous to assume the ANC was at anyone's mercy, party > > secretary-general Gwede Mantashe said on Monday. > > > > "When people begin to be bold about what needs to be changed and what > > should be said in the ANC, it's an exaggeration of the role of > > interaction of allies," Mantashe said. > > > > He was briefing reporters on the sidelines of the party's national > > executive committee meeting in Centurion. > > > > The National Union of Metalworkers (Numsa) said at the weekend the > > ruling party was going against its own policies by not embracing > > nationalisation. Numsa was one of the proponents of nationalisation and > > land expropriation without compensation. > > > > The union became the first organised formation to call for President > > Jacob Zuma and the rest of the African National Congress's leadership to > > be changed in the party's elective conference, to be held in > > Bloemfontein in December. > > > > Numsa's deputy general-secretary Karl Cloete was quoted by SABC news on > > Saturday as saying: "They have not been able to drive the implementation > > of the Polokwane resolutions and therefore we are very clear that we > > will, in our branches of the ANC, make sure that this current ANC NEC > > does not return." > > > > He was referring to the ANC's last elective conference, held in > > Polokwane in 2007, at which Zuma was elected party president. > > > > Mantashe described this as "a dangerous and an adventurous position" by > > Numsa. > > > > "I think we need to make an appeal to everybody to never make that > > dangerous assumption that it's them who exist, and the ANC is at the > > mercy of everybody else," he said. > > > > "It doesn't work that way. There is no delegation in the contract of the > > ANC called a Numsa delegation. There is no such a delegation at the ANC > > elective conference." > > > > Mantashe said the union would be invited as a delegation of observers > > within the Congress of SA Trade Unions. He said unions, league and > > alliance members would constitute only 10 percent of the delegation in > > Bloemfontein. > > > > Ninety percent of delegates would be ANC branch members and would > > discuss and amend policies and elect leaders. > > > > "Observers can sneak in at night, talk to that and that, but if they are > > not members of the ANC that influence is limited to lobbying." > > > > Numsa had since backtracked on its statement, saying it had not taken > > any vote of confidence against the ANC's current leadership. > > > > On Sunday, Numsa general secretary Irvin Jim said the union would use > > the party's democratic processes, ahead of the ANC elective conference, > > to ensure that leaders who represented the interests of the working > > class were pushed through party structures. > > > > Mantashe said the thinking behind changing the character of the ANC was > > nothing but a myth. > > > > "Don't elevate a myth of takeover of the ANC into a reality." > > > > He said ANC branches were allowed to discuss and assess the performance > > of leaders. However, nominations would only be opened in October. > > > > "Discussions are not just banned. We talk about it," said Mantashe, > > adding that Numsa was merely voicing an opinion. > > > > He said union members, who were also card-carrying members of the ANC, > > would only speak as ANC members in Bloemfontein. > > > > -Sapa > > > > *From: http://www.thenewage.co.za/44646-1007-53-ANC_at_no_ones_mercy* [8] > > ** > > ** > > ** > > > > -- > > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > > Please POST your comments to [email protected] [9] or reply > to > > this message. > > You can visit the group WEB SITE at > > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum [10] for different delivery > > options, pages, files and membership. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email > [email protected] [11] . > > You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to > > put anything in the message part. 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