What seems to be the problem with these men of god? First it was Tutu and now it is Chikane. They can go jump!
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Thabo Mathiba <[email protected]>wrote: > So i havent heard chikane saying something bad about president mbeki,was > he a saint? > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Cdes, >> >> Where does this junk come from all of a sudden? People are just >> opportunists because they "in themselves" see a possibility of leadership >> change. It won't happen... >> >> Rev. Chikane, must just be relaxed and stop wanting to resurrect at the >> expense of others... >> >> Haai ANC Elective Conferences do create miracles shame... >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Sandile Khumalo" <[email protected]> >> *Sender: *[email protected] >> *Date: *Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:47:18 +0200 >> *To: *<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >> *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] The ANC will, relatively soon, not have >> enough votes to rule SA on its own. And the longer Jacob Zuma is president >> of the party and country the sooner that will be - PETER BRUCE >> >> *PETER BRUCE: The Thick End of the Wedge — The Editor’s Notebook* >> >> The ANC will, relatively soon, not have enough votes to rule SA on its >> own. And the longer Jacob Zuma is president of the party and country the >> sooner that will be**** >> >> PETER BRUCE**** >> >> Published: 2012/03/12 07:31:22 AM**** >> >> DO YOU remember Frank Chikane? He was head of the Presidency under Thabo >> Mbeki . He was there when Mbeki was unceremoniously removed from office >> by that open, democratic and thoughtful body of citizens known as the >> African National Congress, in September 2008.**** >> >> Chikane has just published a book — Eight Days in September — about that >> time and it would be useful for every literate South African to buy it and >> read it, and read it to their children. It reminds us all how shamefully >> Mbeki was treated — by his own party and by the media (including, probably, >> the newspapers I was editing). Basically the party "recalled" him, and the >> meeting that did it waited in Pretoria tapping its fingers on the table >> until he left, caring not a whit for the constitutional implications of >> what they were doing, so badly did they want him gone.**** >> >> President Jacob Zuma , who installed Kgalema Motlanthe to warm the seat >> until he had arranged for corruption charges against him to be withdrawn, >> was at the centre of this outrage and did nothing to stop it. He could have >> insisted that Mbeki see out his term, on pain of his own resignation as >> party leader, but he has never held any principle other than his own >> personal political survival.**** >> >> Basically, it was left to Mbeki, given just hours to pack and leave his >> residence and his office, to save the country from its own ruling party. >> Mbeki actually had to help Zuma overthrow him constitutionally rather than >> illegally. He had to remind the party that Parliament, not the ANC, >> appointed him and then arrange for Parliament to replace him. To do that he >> had to get Baleka Mbete , ANC chairwoman and speaker of the National >> Assembly, to do her job properly for once and get him fired in her role as >> the latter, having presided over his execution as the former.**** >> >> It was Mbeki who had to remind the military to do their duty; that though >> he had been unconstitutionally removed, their job, along with him, was to >> quickly make it all constitutional to save the country from the political >> pirates who wanted him out before his term (granted by Parliament, not >> them) was over.**** >> >> One of those, Julius Malema, has finally gotten his just deserts. >> Another, Zuma, wants a second term as head of state. A third, Zwelinzima >> Vavi, is full of remorse and still playing games.**** >> >> There are others who stayed. Trevor Manuel . Lindiwe Sisulu . Derek >> Hanekom . Pravin Gordhan. Why? Do they feel they owe the country a duty? >> They can’t possibly have any political respect for the president. It is >> hard to articulate in polite English what a hazard he is to the country. He >> is interested, literally, in nothing but himself. He isn’t interested in >> policy and he isn’t interested in any of the debates about it. He complains >> about the media that attack him, but he reads, apparently, nothing that >> isn’t about him.**** >> >> A colleague of mine told me the other day Zuma had complained recently >> about the Sunday Times but that he had "no problem" with Business Day. Oh >> what joy. The last person he had met from Business Day, he said, was David >> Bullard (who has never worked here).**** >> >> I know we’re supposed to take the government seriously and treat its >> officers with respect, but how do you do that when the man leading it a) >> got the job by committing a series of political and legal outrages and b) >> puts his own interests before the country’s? In the face of a general >> strike last week he said and did absolutely nothing. Chikane’s book reminds >> us who we’re being led by and it isn’t pretty.**** >> >> Sure, we were all cross with Mbeki, for AIDS, for his aloofness, for >> Jackie Selebi, for going up against Zuma in Polokwane when it was clear he >> would lose and for not making room for someone else to take up the >> challenge. But we have never thanked him for behaving like a civilised >> patriot at what must have been the toughest hours of his life.**** >> >> The ANC will, relatively soon, not have enough votes to rule South Africa >> on its own. And the longer Jacob Zuma is president of the party and country >> the sooner that will be. Where, you have to ask, is Cyril Ramaphosa? Where >> is Tokyo Sexwale? Where is Zweli Mkhize?**** >> >> Of course, we know the answer. So do they. But surely there has to be >> more to a political life than mere survival? Where is the courage that >> helped them stand up to apartheid brutality? 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