So we could be facing another "long road of suspension appeals etc"!! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
-----Original Message----- From: "linda schalk" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:31:53 To: [email protected]<[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius Malema suspended with immediate effect Yes it can be appealed but once the NDCA decision is upheld then it over-rides the appeal Sent from my iPad -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: 04/04/2012 16:59:03 Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius Malema suspended with immediate effect Cadres just out of interest-can a summary suspension be appealed? Cause I think we going around in circles here. And knowing Magaqa, he will be happy to speak on behalf of JM, even if its insults. So how will the NDC handle that? Another summary suspension? Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 14:39:50 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius Malema suspended with immediate effect Cde’s I don’t think anyone expects the ANC to “laugh along and be merry on such acts.” However as a movement that is 100 years old, today, I think it would have been more appropriate for the organisation to handle the issue with a bit more consideration, understanding the nature of perceptions that have come along with it. Critiscm and reciprocal critiscm between individuals of an organisation are good if the salient point is to ensure progress. The point I’m trying to make is that; holding divergent views with the leadership should not be considered to be improper as long as the views are not in conflict with the general aims objectives of the movement. Perhaps the need to look deeper into the statements made by Malema and their accuracy, or lack thereof, becomes more important. How do you suspend an already suspended/expelled person? This action by the NDCA could be further viewed as validating Malema’s statements that “those that hold opposing views are silenced / oppressed whilst those that are in support of the current crop of leaders are encouraged to openly campaign.” I don’t want to be perceived to be in support of Malema’s recent public spats, however an analysis into the actions of the NDCA do leave a lot to question, considering they (NDCA) were due to make a statement on the entire issue in a weeks time. With less than a week before the NDCA announces its judgement, on the Malema issue, one has to ask the following questions: 1. Was it really necessary for such an action so late on in the dispute?2. How many more public gatherings would Malema have addressed from yesterday right up to next week Thursday?3. How much more harm could Malema have done to the ANC, or its leaders, in the space of a week?4. How does this announcement then present itself in the face of the expected outcomes from the Disciplinary Hearing next week? The lecture at Wits was supposed to be about celebrating 100 years of the liberation movement celebrating the trials and tribulations of the movement and how far it has come, I fully agree. What we must also be mindful of is that statements and actions that have been conveyed by Malema can also be construed to be part of this history. These, are all part of the present day challenges that the movement is facing at this current juncture in time; not forgetting that through the different generations and times that the ANC has lived through it has faced different struggles and different character. Malema’s recent public antics could, perhaps, be viewed as part of the struggles of this current epoch. The centenary lectures should also be about aligning the past to the present, and as such it is equally important, then, to raise issues that affect the movement today. The manner in which they have been raised might not be desirable, however as a movement that is encouraging of divergent views it was rather flawed to act on the dissident views expressed by Malema and his accomplices. “The lecture at Wits was a platform created to educate young people, some who are not even part of the YL and the YCL to understand the history of the movement to a point that it generates interest from them to join and be part of the movement and make a difference” Yes I fully agree to this statement; I do however have a difficulty in understanding where this youth would be coming from. I am deliberately saying this because: Whilst majority of young people in this country may not be aligned to the YL, YCL or any political formation, they do follow or are on par with the current happenings in the political landscape of this country. Part of the youth’s generating of interest to join the ANC, YL or the YCL, for that matter, should happen within them grasping and accepting the status of the ANC, currently, and not on the history lesson that they would be given of it, and its contribution to the liberation struggle of South Africa. The current schisms that have engulfed our movement require us to develop new strategies and tactics to overcoming them, strategies that will be based on a concrete analysis of concrete reality. This view that Malema’s statements are going to scare people off, or, discourage them from joining the ANC is not only fallacious, but also unproven. If anything; Malema’s statements are finding resonance amongst the poor, even though they (the poor) are likely to benefit the least from them, nor are they the intended recipients of such statements. In order to ensure triumph in such situations; members of the ANC, together with their branches, need to debate these issues with open minds, rather than along factional lines. The ANC can, and will, only grow when we can learn to be pragmatic in our discussions and stop romanticism. S.C. Makananda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: "zuko mgawuli" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:47:38 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius Malema suspended with immediate effect I hope no one is going to give Malema a platform to speak in public. He is a disgrace in the values of the ANC. Zuko On Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:53:53 +0000 [email protected] wrote We should expect a street brawl in Seshego today... Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ------------------------- FROM: Thabo Mathiba SENDER: [email protected] DATE: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:50:25 +0200 TO: REPLYTO: [email protected] SUBJECT: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius Malema suspended with immediate effect May his Political soul Rip,he will not be missed at all,Anc Leads,Anc LIVES..... On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:45 PM, wrote: If people are paralysed by uninformed support for an individual some of us refuse to be paralysed! I refuse! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ------------------------- FROM: Palesa Motshoene SENDER: [email protected] [3] DATE: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 12:11:53 +0200 TO: REPLYTO: [email protected] [5] SUBJECT: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius Malema suspended with immediate effect @B, I concur; so some people expect the ANCto just laugh along and be merry at such acts, and go on as if nothing is happening. The ANC CenetenaryPubliclecture at Wits, was suppossed to be about celebrating 100 years of the liberation movement, celebrating the trials and tribulations of the movement and how far it is come, not a bashing sessionfor one to airouthis feelings at the expense of the movement. It was a platform to educate young people who are not even part of the YL and ANC to understand the history of the movement toa point that it generates interest from those young people to join and be part of the movement and make a difference. It cannot be condoned that we want to shield everything by saying that ''The ANC under President Jacob Zuma is playing the man, not the issue at hand.'' Exactly what is the issue at hand? The issue at hand atthis moment is ill-discipline and it has got to be dealt with swiftly; this does not only affect people in structures, but the ordinary people who are not card-carrying members, but continously vote the ANC _#LESTWEFORGET#!!!_ P! On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 1:59 PM, wrote: You cant be reckless intentionally and start saying you're played as opposed to the ball! Boingotlo! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ------------------------- FROM: "Klaas Nono Mabunda" SENDER: [email protected] [8] DATE: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 09:51:32 +0000 TO: REPLYTO: [email protected] [10] SUBJECT: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius Malema suspended with immediate effect The ANC under President Jacob Zuma is playing the man, not the issue at hand. Was comrade Julius lying when he raised those issues, aren't all happening under President Zuma 's leadership? Why suppress voices yet champions body of opinion status? The ANC we love starts to second guess issues and use suspension over a suspension and expulsion and appeal to silence a voice that express injustice. You might celebrate now, but where lies your consciousness on these Suspension Organization, where are you hiding when Jackson Mthembu abuses the spokesmanship, Mantashe contradicting decisions of the NEC, Zuma making pronouncements on internal matters at a Gupta breakfast show, when Provinces are put under Section 100b on basis on Factional security, when officials convenes a Press conference just to say nothing, Where are your principles hiding? We might laugh and all that but this tendencies ridicules the ANC and challenges its strength. How do you suspend a man for telling it as it is? "Eager for expropriation proves determination for rightful ownership, especially where compensation is unlisted" ------------------------- FROM: Dominic Tweedie SENDER: [email protected] [12] DATE: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 10:58:33 +0200 TO: REPLYTO: [email protected] [14] SUBJECT: [YCLSA Discussion] Julius Malema suspended with immediate effect PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE ANC NATIONAL DISCIPLINARY COMMITTEE,4 APRIL 2012 COMRADE JULIUS MALEMAS IMMEDIATE SUSPENSION _Pending Disciplinary Proceedings_ At a meeting on 2 April 2012, the NDC decided to suspend comrade Julius Malemas membership of the ANC with immediate effect in accordance with the provisions of Rule 25.12 (c) of the ANC Constitution. The NDC considered the nature and seriousness of comrade Malemas utterance, namely ....It is under President Zuma that we have seen the youth of the ANC being traumatised, being expelled from their own home. It is under President Zuma we have seen a critical voice being suppressed We have seen under President Zuma, democracy being replaced with dictatorship. We have seen an intolerance....people, who become impatient with the youth...., at a meeting held on 30 March 2012 at the University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, and concluded that such utterance could bring the ANC into disrepute as contemplated in Rule 25.5 of the ANC Constitution. After due consideration, the NDC was satisfied that this utterance constitutes a very serious violation of the ANC Constitution and that the institution of disciplinary action, as provided for in Rule 25.3, and temporary suspension of comrade Malema, in terms of Rule 25.12(c), of the ANC Constitution is warranted. The NDC also took cognizance of the fact that the said utterance received widespread coverage in the print and electronic media. Comrade Malema was informed this morning of his immediate temporary suspension and that disciplinary proceedings would be instituted against him by the NDC, and that he would be provided with full details of the charge/s and details of the disciplinary hearings in due course. In keeping with the principle and spirit of natural justice and to remove any semblance and perception of bias, the members of the NDC who participated in this decision to institute disciplinary action against comrade Malema will recuse themselves and not participate or adjudicate in the pending disciplinary action against him. The NDC has stipulated the following conditions that comrade Malema will be required to comply with during his suspension:- * He will not exercise any duty in his capacity as an ANC member, President of the ANC Youth League and/or Member of the Provincial Executive Committee of the ANC Limpopo Province; * He will not attend any meeting of the ANC or any of its structures, including the Leagues, except for the purpose of the NDCA hearing and the pending disciplinary proceedings to be instituted against him. * He will not address any meeting of the ANC or any of its structures, including the Leagues, whether as an invited guest, in his capacity as President of the ANC Youth League and/or as a member of the ANC; and * He will not make any public statement on any matter pertaining to the ANC. The temporary and immediate suspension of comrade Malema will come into effect on Wednesday, 4 April 2012. 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