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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:19:36 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL response to ANC : Shivambu Cde Gugu! Isn't that some enjoy being extra's in the cast? Vanguard! Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:02:23 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL response to ANC : Shivambu Real drama Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: "Petunia" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:23:23 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL response to ANC : Shivambu The Bold n the beutiful, wait no..Generations, Isidingo... Ai Ke drama mos Mo... Oh yes.."blow by blow" Education shall be compulsory, universal, free and equal for all children! - The Freedom Charter: 1955 - -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:52:36 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] ANCYL response to ANC : Shivambu ANCYL CONCERNED ABOUT THE POSTURE OF THE ANC TOWARDS CDE FLOYD SHIVAMBU 16 April 2012 The ANCYL is concerned about the statement released by the ANC Spokesperson, Mr. Jackson Mthembu attacking Cde Floyd Shivambu. Indeed as an organization known for it's commitment to engagement and harnessing the interests of all in society with the aim of building a non racist, non sexist, democratic, prosperous and united nation, it casts aspersions in society about how we should always interact as comrades who love the ANC. The ANCYL is concerned that issues should find resonance in the healthy interactions between structures of the movement and should in no way seek to go blow by blow on issues that are raised.The struggle we are in is a struggle for political and total freedom. We are unaware of many easy victories claimed, and at no stage should lies be spread. The ANC once again missed an opportunity to educate and mould a comrade if he indeed was wrong, and chose to throw insults and attack him as an individual. As a younf cadre of the ANC, what is he going to benefit from insults by adults in the ANC. We believe that such an attack on a fellow Comrade is in its very nature degenerating the values prescribed by the movement. The ANCYL will not attach any significance to the personal attacks on Cde Floyd Shivambu, because doing so will amount to undue dignifying of false, petty and irrelevant statements and accusations ISSUED BY THE ANCYL Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: tom mhlanga <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:47:50 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Revolutionaries do not conduct themselves this way Cde Ndamase, we need cadres like you in this revolution which is really under threat from the neoliberal offensive. We cant go on like this. Please continue to provide us with this kind of Political Induction and hopefully the commanders (of Economic Freedom) read this article. AMANDLA!! On 4/16/12, Aphiwe Bewana <[email protected]> wrote: > Another great piece from the commissar > > > > I salute your devotion to share your views my friend. Your continued > inclination to air your thoughts no fear for scrutiny is essential in the > intellectual life of our movement that is characterized by membership many > including leaders either fear the pen or are reluctant to befriend it. I > absolutely agree with both the premise and purpose of your piece. The > article definitely unmasks what is rhetorical to what has been purported as > revolutionary. > > > > My point of departure in this regard would be out-of describing the > non-revolutionary character of these actions by some among us, what are the > implications of such to our evolving character of the ANC (and the > movement) and what are critical avenues for reversing damage being done by > the recent actions of the New Tendency? In simple the point is how does the > ANC comprehensively deal with the entrenchment of the Tendency…politically > and organizationally? > > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Sbu Khambule <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Lazolo you tell it as it is, thanks comrade we need Amaqabani >> anjenganawe **** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *[email protected] >> *Sent:* 16 April 2012 02:48 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Revolutionaries do not conduct >> themselves this way**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Lazola is a man with lots of time in his hands...haai uyhabala my >> Leader... >> >> Iyanconya into entle ne lungileyo... >> >> I agree fully with your views (on this point)... **** >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *[email protected] **** >> >> *Sender: *[email protected] **** >> >> *Date: *Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:45:23 +0000**** >> >> *To: *<[email protected]>; < >> [email protected]>**** >> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] **** >> >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] Revolutionaries do not conduct >> themselves this way**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Comrade Lazola you are a man of truth...I salute you. **** >> >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *Lazola Ndamase <[email protected]> **** >> >> *Sender: *[email protected] **** >> >> *Date: *Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:23:24 +0200**** >> >> *To: *<[email protected]>; yclsa-eom-forum< >> [email protected]>**** >> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] **** >> >> *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] Revolutionaries do not conduct themselves >> this way**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *REVOLUTIONARIES DO NOT CONDUCT THEMSELVES THIS WAY***** >> >> ** ** >> >> Yearnings of glory and praise are never those of revolutionaries but those >> of pop-stars who join revolutionary organizations with the hope of >> inscribing their names into history books. These and their ilk will never >> join a revolution if it appears to be doomed. They wait for it to gain >> currency and then they hop on the bandwagon. One thing marks them out, >> they >> are not willing to sacrifice anything in the course of struggle. All they >> want is to don borrowed robes tailor made for glory. I suspect this is >> exactly what Shivambu’s recent articles which cast aspersions on every one >> else but the YL are actually about.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Bravery, devotion, determination, selflessness and love are the lifeblood >> that propels the heartbeat of those that shirk all personal development >> for >> the development of all. Revolutions, rather than bring immediate glory to >> those who abandon their youth, instead result in poverty, incarceration >> and >> mostly death in the immediate. Many a revolutionary is shunned by their >> own >> communities, with family members calling them irresponsible, for leaving >> school or work to pursue something that brings them suffering rather than >> prosperity. The media often treats them with disdain, until worker >> journalists realize the importance of their actions.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Revolutionaries are careful with their conduct and how it affects their >> organization because they appreciate the negative perceptions it creates >> about them and their organization to the oppressed and the demobilizing >> impact it can have on the struggle being pursued. Revolutionary discipline >> to them does not become a catchword but something to live by. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> They are well aware that because theirs is a contest with prevailing >> conditions, the act of revolution has highs and lows: times of heightened >> revolutionary ferment and those where there is not even an iota of >> revolutionary movement. They also understand that people’s organizations >> too are imperfect. What else can they be, they are a microcosm of the >> society from which they sprout after all and as a result at times slide >> into backward practices. There are times when one’s organization mistreats >> the best of its cadres and but because these cadres have deeper >> appreciation of the issues they sacrifice themselves for the greater good. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> They do not square up against their movement threatening to tear it >> asunder to save their skins. Where would the ANC be if Chris and others >> who >> felt the ANC had abandoned them while arrested in Botswana would have >> exposed all about the movement in order to buy their own freedom and save >> their own skins?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> The ANC knows that it clearly had not treated MK cadres very well in the >> early 80’s when these soldiers engaged in mutinous behavior, but still it >> was not the ANC that had to bow to the mutiny but the mutineers who had to >> trust the ANC’s capacity to correct its behavior and they laid down their >> weapons and soon the ANC realized that it was not the mutineers that were >> in the wrong but itself and labored to correct its wrongs appointing >> commissions and replacing those responsible and even convening the Kabwe >> Conference partly as a result of this. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Had the mutineers chosen to continue with their mutiny, the ANC would not >> have survived exile and would not have fulfilled its struggle against >> formal apartheid. Thus not only would the mutineers saved themselves from >> what they were unhappy about but they would have delayed the acquisition >> of >> political freedom for many by decades. In the act of saving oneself, a >> revolutionary can put the lid on the candle of revolution for years to >> come. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Clearly faced with what many cadres even those in the fray believe are >> weak charges and rather harsh sentences, Malema and Shivambu show their >> true colors. They square up against the ANC and drag its name into the mud >> for more than four weeks threatening that if the ANC does not back down it >> runs the risk of public attacks which diminishes its stature presenting it >> as a movement at war with itself. These felons would rather wreck the ship >> because they believe there is a problem with its captain and how he >> navigates the seas. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Rather than quietly replace him and if they do not succeed and are thrown >> off the ship accept that the lives of those inside and those who depend on >> its success are too precious to sacrifice in exchange for the life of two >> they put themselves first. Shivambu can harp on about how the ANC has fell >> under a dictatorial spell but our wannabe Cassandra exposes his own lack >> of >> revolutionary blood: the yearning and the ability to self-sacrifice. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Clearly, the ANC is in a trouble of a sort. Unlike the mutineers of the >> early 80’s, this time it is not faced with members who feel aggrieved but >> still have confidence in their movement but have only lost confidence in >> individuals, here it is confronted by a totally different animal. It is >> faced with people who would rather have the ANC struggle diminish the >> public stature of the movement in order to advance their own public >> credentials. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> When they said they will die fighting, I thought they would die fighting >> for Economic Freedom, I did not know that this actually meant they would >> die fighting our revolutionary movement. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> As far as I am concerned, if Malema and Shivambu are the revolutionaries >> they claim to be, they will realize the folly of their recent behavior and >> mend their ways. They must also be careful not to act as though they are >> saints nailed to the cross for doing nothing but good deeds. One thing >> Shivambu and his ilk ought to remember is that the weakness of the current >> charge does not absolve a criminal of previous criminal activity for which >> they have never been charged.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *Lazola Ndamase is a member of the ANC & SACP Ntlangano branches***** >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. This footer can help you. >> Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to >> this message. >> You can visit the group WEB SITE at >> http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery >> options, pages, files and membership. >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. >> You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to >> put anything in the message part. All you have to do is to send an e-mail >> to this address (repeat): [email protected] .** >> ** >> >> -- >> You are subscribed. 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