Morgan what is it to engage there?
On 5/15/12, Klaas Nono Mabunda <[email protected]> wrote: > Kgotsong, > > We can't be commenting on this Forum as if we are on Mxit, use unbecoming > words on basis of exposing hatred against other leaders particularly in the > event of the Press Statement as made by Cde. Julius, Sindiso and Floyd. > > Actually the statement provides emphasis on issues we all know and had > observed happening, it cannot be that such facts of occasions are merely > limited to insults and bewitching views that overlooks reality of matters. > > In Marxist theory of contradictions we see some of the elements displayed > her being talked of and against, however, I as well have displeasure on the > hardened loyalty on Blind Loyalty. Comrade utter views merely to impress > fellow unscrupulous member of this forum and nothing is being said even by > the VC himself but instead he adds more paraffin on the flames. > > We joined this forum because it sharply delved on issues of theoretical > importance that are immediately given a solution by members of the forum and > the VC himself, today it is riddled with FB, Tweeter Languages which on > their own if not cared for, they 'l reduce this forum to a Social Network > site. > > What was it new and so unseen which the statement spoke on, didn't we all > hear the ANC President and Secretary General bravely speaking on the > outcomes of the not yet started process of DC, didn't we all see Magaqa > apologizing to the Honourable Gigaba, Didn't we all see the DC Proceeding > being postponed without having had told the defendants, didn't we read on > papers the first hand leakage of information pertaining DC Processes which > reliably briefed us on the outcomes of the DC, which in a day or two such > exactly happened, didn't we all see and read of KZN speaking on Succession > and nothing happened? > > So what is the ongoing name calling and insults by yourselves as members of > the Forum for. > > Let's change the attitude and in an open minded light identify problematic > cores in the Organization that continues to redirect discipline to mass > assassin. > > Tribalism seems to be harshly reclaiming itself in the ANC & its time this > forum regains its essence and start debating uniting views not what's > happening since June last year. > > Insult me its a used to phenomenon. > > > "Eager for expropriation proves determination for rightful ownership, > especially where compensation is unlisted" > > -----Original Message----- > From: morgan phaahla <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 01:45:51 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] STATEMENT BY ANC YOUTH LEAGUE PRESIDENT > JULIUS > MALEMA, SECRETARY GENERAL SINDISO MAGAQA AND NEC/NWC MEMBER AND > SPOKESPERSON > FLOYD SHIVAMBU ON THE OUTCOMES OF THE NATIONAL DISCIPLINARY COMMITTEE > > Cdes, none of you have engaged with the statement. Instead you're dwelling > on sideshows at the expense of the content of the statement. > > Again, the view expressed by cde Julius in response to a question from the > floor was in the context of his election to the ANC Limpopo PEC. You all > harbour ambitions of leading the ANC and there is nothing wrong with that. > You may hide or show your ambitions but power lies with the branches. > > You should know by now that cde Julius likes to make the entire media eating > out of his hand. It's his natural character to play the media and he's been > doing that for quite sometime now. Cde Alex, I call this a political > posturing and not dictatorship. > > Remain, > Morgan > > "Sometimes, if you wear suits for too long, it changes your ideology." - Joe > Slovo > > --- On Mon, 5/14/12, Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Alex M. Mashilo <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] STATEMENT BY ANC YOUTH LEAGUE PRESIDENT > JULIUS MALEMA, SECRETARY GENERAL SINDISO MAGAQA AND NEC/NWC MEMBER AND > SPOKESPERSON FLOYD SHIVAMBU ON THE OUTCOMES OF THE NATIONAL DISCIPLINARY > COMMITTEE > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, May 14, 2012, 10:23 AM > > > > So, Julius decrees himself to president of ANC one day. This is the seed of > dictatorship, and I'll be surprised if it would be allowed. Anarchy... > Sent by AlexM > ________________________________ > From: Gugu Ndima <[email protected]> > Sender: <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 16:04:24 +0200 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] STATEMENT BY ANC YOUTH LEAGUE PRESIDENT > JULIUS MALEMA, SECRETARY GENERAL SINDISO MAGAQA AND NEC/NWC MEMBER AND > SPOKESPERSON FLOYD SHIVAMBU ON THE OUTCOMES OF THE NATIONAL DISCIPLINARY > COMMITTEE > > So Julius told the media that he will DEFINETLY be President of the ANC one > day............his fortune teller must really be powerful for him to be able > to make such an assertion. > > the game of Press conferences has become the order of the day sadly. > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Palesa Motshoene > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Wow #SMH#! > > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Dominic Tweedie > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > I somehow knew that the Balalaika Branch of the FYL would be the first to > post this. > > Thanks Cde Trevor. > > > VC > > > > On 14 May 2012 15:51, Trevor Kekana > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > STATEMENT BY ANC YOUTH LEAGUE PRESIDENT JULIUS MALEMA, SECRETARY GENERAL > SINDISO MAGAQA AND NEC/NWC MEMBER AND SPOKESPERSON FLOYD SHIVAMBU ON THE > OUTCOMES OF THE NATIONAL DISCIPLINARY COMMITTEE > > 14 May 2012 > > We are here to speak for the first time about the ANC National Disciplinary > Committee and National Disciplinary Committee of Appeals processes and > ultimate decision to suspend us from the ANC for political purposes. Like > the leadership collective of the ANC Youth League, we profoundly disagree > with the approach taken by the ANC on the issue of discipline of elected > leaders of the ANC Youth League. > > We have in our capacity as leaders of the ANC Youth League expressed various > observations about the entire disciplinary process, particularly around the > fact its outcomes were concluded before the process commenced and that the > ultimate conclusions and decisions were vindictive and meant to settle > political scores. This goes against the Constitution and true values of the > African National Congress. > > It is unfortunate that the ANC process culminated in suspension and > expulsion of the elected leadership of the ANC Youth League. We are aware > that even before the ANC Youth League 24th National Congress; there were > attempts to prevent the election of the leadership currently leading the ANC > Youth League, and a commitment to find ways to purge us from the ANC Youth > League. > > We are also aware that there were intentions to isolate the leadership of > the ANC Youth League and deny us the opportunity to lead the organisation as > a militant, autonomous and integral body of opinion in the ANC. The refusal > by the leadership of the ANC to meet with the ANC Youth League leadership > even after we had begged for meetings and publicly withdrawn the statement > that led to our charges is a proof enough that the intention of the NDC was > to achieve something else, not discipline in the ANC. > > There is completely no doubt that the there were wrong political intentions > in pursuing the disciplinary process. We have brought to the leadership of > the ANC the many instances of irregularities by the ANC National Presenter, > who wrote emails declaring that the NDC process sought to achieve political > intentions. We brought to the attention of the ANC leadership the many > instances where members of the NDC and NDCA, most of whom were conflicted > deliberately violated process to reach different conclusions. > > This is evidenced by the kind of sanctions and sentences meted out by the > NDC and NDCA, which were clearly disproportionate to what was said to be > violations of the ANC Constitution. The Cyril Ramaphosa NDCA ignored the > fact that in some cases there was remorse displayed in the mitigating > process, and even passed an effective sentence against ANCYL Secretary > General, even after he apologized as instructed by the NDC within the 15 > days. > > Our application for some members to recuse themselves from the NDC and NDCA > was correct, because the attitude and decisions of these committees are > evidence that the aim was to settle political scores and suppress dissent. > These committees turned a blind eye on lots of information submitted and > presented to them, and only emphasized and dwelled on issues that would get > us suspended and expelled from the ANC. > > The reality is that we are expelled and suspended for articulating positions > of the ANC Youth League, which were taken in the 24th National Congress of > the ANC Youth League. In more than one occasion, the ANCYL NEC and members > have re-affirmed that what we were charged and expelled for are decisions of > the collective. ANC Youth League NEC members even came to the NDC to present > these facts, but these were ignored because the target was individuals. > > We subjected ourselves to the disciplinary process because we believed that > the ANC will apply consistency on principle and issues of discipline. It > appears very apparent that issues of principle only apply to certain > individuals differently. In KwaZulu Natal, ANC members and regions have been > discussing and nominating leadership for the ANC 53rd National Conference > and no one has taken these comrades to a disciplinary process. > > Members of the ANC in KwaZulu Natal have publicly threatened to take away > our lives and subject us to firing squads, and not even a single word to > condemn these came from the ANC. Many violations of the ANC Constitution > have happened and continue to happen and the leadership is turning a blind > eye. > > We were publicly chastised, and many things said about us and we believe it > is because of the political and ideological views we hold on the future of > the ANC and the country. Because of changed material conditions and > consistent failure of the democratic government to address the question of > poverty and unemployment decisively, we hold and continue to hold the view > that the ANC should be more radical and more decisive in dealing with the > question of economic transformation. We stand firm behind the pillars for > economic freedom in our lifetime and will utilize all platforms we have to > advocate for radical economic change. > > The ANC Youth League National Executive Committee has brought to our > attention that consistent with many resolutions taken by the National > Executive Committee, they will not release us from our elected > responsibilities in the ANC Youth League. We are also aware that the > leadership collective of the ANC Youth League is currently engaged in a > process of seeking a sustainable political solution with the leadership of > the ANC. We believe that the leadership collective will come with a > sustainable political solution. We remain loyal to the ANC, and know that it > is only the ANC that will bring about real transformation and economic > change that will benefit all people. > > Because we are political activists and Economic Freedom Fighters, we will > continue to engage society and members of the South African society behind > the struggle for economic freedom in our lifetime. We will continue to > address public meetings, rallies, and seminars in pursuit of economic > freedom in our lifetime. We will continue to engage and persuade members and > leaders of the ANC to reach different conclusions on the issue of discipline > and how the ANC should work with the ANC without perception of divisions and > hostility. > > We have total confidence in the leadership of the ANC Youth League, under > the stewardship of Deputy President Ronald Lamola and Deputy Secretary > General Kenetswe Mosenogi, and we call on all members and structures of the > ANC Youth League to remain solid behind the leadership collective. > > Suppression of political dissent through disciplinary process and usage of > institutions of the State will never do any good to the African National > Congress; such will instead hurt the movement. Anyone who suggests that as > youth of the ANC, we are beyond correction and guidance is not telling the > truth. The ANC has never given up on rehabilitation of its members. We > always seek political and ideological guidance from the ANC leadership, and > because we are youth, we also hold opinions on how the movement should grow > and be better positioned to build sustainable livelihoods for all South > Africans. > > The decision of the ANC Secretary General to write to regions and provinces > of the ANC saying that we are banned from going to offices and meetings of > the ANC, even those opened to everyone is a sign that those executing the > decisions of the NDC and NDCA are not convinced by the justice of their own > decisions. > > ANC Offices and Public meetings are attended by everyone, and it will never > be correct to ban comrades from associating with the organisation they love. > This reflects the fear of the youth and fear of the youth is a direct threat > to the future of the ANC and the country. We will remain loyal to our > decisions and to ourselves in pursuit of the struggle, and we will stop at > nothing to achieve economic freedom in our lifetime. > > We want to thank the continued support we receive from many members of the > ANC and South African society, and the solidarity we receive from > international organizations and progressive formations. > > We appreciate all forms of organised support from all people who associate > with the struggle for economic freedom in our lifetime and we will always be > available to address and participate in the platforms they create. 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