Excuse me for responding, but what about offering support to the other person, the employee, the worker?
How can you, in the name of COSATU, abandon the worker in favour of the employer? Why would you, as a brother, forget your sister? There is no hiding place. "Hic Rhodus, his salta!" VC On 27 July 2013 19:29, <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Mr Seitlhamo is on point. Let's offer support to each other- because if we > truly want to be analytic, we will not GO anyway. This will be far more > personal- consistency aseblief on ALL matters of principle. > > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > ------------------------------ > *From: * [email protected] > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Sat, 27 Jul 2013 17:25:12 +0000 > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] COSATU GS accused of rape - admits to > sexual intercourse in the office > > VC, I'm just asking you to be a brother and a comrade to one of your own > in his challenging and difficult times. Let's not kick a man when he's > down! This is not a political issue that cde Vavi is faced with, but > personal and sensitive! > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > ------------------------------ > *From: * Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:20:07 +0200 > *To: *YCLSA EOM Forum<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] COSATU GS accused of rape - admits to > sexual intercourse in the office > > > O.k, I'm sitting down. I have had my say and I didn't keep my head down > waiting for somebody else to give me cover. > > Now I am looking to see what different people are going to say about this. > Like, say, Hajira Omarjee, for example? > > Tomorrow there will be the Sunday papers, and there will be the YCLSA > rally. There is no place to hide on this. > > > VC > > > > > On 27 July 2013 19:08, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ** >> VC, >> Please don't behave like a saint which you're NOT! We all mess up at >> times. Just sit down! >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> >> *Sender: * [email protected] >> *Date: *Sat, 27 Jul 2013 19:01:19 +0200 >> *To: *YCLSA EOM Forum<[email protected]> >> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] COSATU GS accused of rape - admits to >> sexual intercourse in the office >> >> >> Sex with people of a different age is legal so long as they are not >> minors. >> >> Office romances are common, although problematic and usually unwise. >> >> Adultery is also not a crime, even if it hurts people, >> >> You can have all that. >> >> What is crucial here is none of those, but it is that the senior person >> involved was the big boss of the organisation, the one who hires and fires, >> and who has admitted having sexual intercourse with this employee *in >> the business premises*. >> >> This is an impossible situation. What was this woman supposed to do? How >> was she going to reject the man, unless she was ready to lose her job? >> >> This powerful man thinks that people are only nice to him because they >> like him. >> >> COSATU is not just any organisation, by the way. It is supposed to defend >> employees. It is supposed to defend women. The General Secretary is >> supposed to, and claims to, represent two million workers, a large >> proportion of whom are women. >> >> There are no comparable cases to this. There are no excuses that can make >> this tolerable. >> >> >> VC >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 27 July 2013 18:30, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I agree with you cde Soso...We won't have the movement if those >>> principles would be applied to all! >>> Kind Regards, >>> Sibongile Mbele >>> C: +27 76 900 1858 >>> F: +27 86 556 1544 >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: * "soso" <[email protected]> >>> *Sender: * [email protected] >>> *Date: *Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:32:21 +0000 >>> *To: *<[email protected]> >>> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >>> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] COSATU GS accused of rape - admits to >>> sexual intercourse in the office >>> >>> Then many of our leaders should have vacated their positions by now >>> comrade VC. >>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: * VC <[email protected]> >>> *Sender: * [email protected] >>> *Date: *Sat, 27 Jul 2013 18:20:51 +0200 >>> *To: *yclsa forum<[email protected]> >>> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] >>> *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] COSATU GS accused of rape - admits to >>> sexual intercourse in the office >>> >>> >>> An employer who admits in public to having sex with an employee half his >>> age, in the workplace, has to leave at once for gross misconduct. >>> >>> After that, whatever investigations may be necessary, can proceed. >>> >>> >>> **** >>> >>> *Headline (click to open)* >>> >>> *Paper/Agency* >>> >>> *Cosatu boss Vavi raped me, claims >>> woman<http://www.peherald.com/news/article/17455> >>> * >>> >>> *Herald* >>> >>> *Cosatu's Vavi denies rape claim, admits to >>> cheating<http://mg.co.za/article/2013-07-27-vavi-denies-rape-allegations> >>> * >>> >>> *Mail and Guardian* >>> >>> *Top S. 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