I'm the DVC here, Cde George. You must be careful. Sent by Alex Mohubetswane Mashilo
On 30 Jul 2013, at 6:02 PM, "Tshegofatso Mogaladi" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: VC In you below response as to how you earned the name VC and your appointment you forgot to add that you were not appointed by a Council as it a standard practice in a bourgeoisie University set up. The distinction is that this platform 'Communist University' is a life long learning virtual University neither constrained by borders nor some compartmentalised requirements such as having to hold a Phd and having presented articles in international and domestic conferences. This is a firm distinctions that we ought to discern at all times. Some council of a bourgeoisie University has just over some two years ago appointed a candidate with a bogus Phd to become its VC. Had it not being the intervention of the DHET Minister such an appointment would have went through, this thus debunk as narrow, thoughtless and limited the view that seek to suggests that you the VC of this important virtual institution must be subjected to some requirements and attributes verification! As of Cde Elijah, you definitely need to have you mind read my brother...it is urgent. It is inconceivable in this day and age that one will resort to labeling those against whom he holds a different view and even degenerate to their bedroom politics. When reading your text I derived a view that you just do not have a well constructed argument to challenge the hypothesis in Madlakhe's posting. In state of testing the hypothesis with consolidated facts to enable us to get to a particular finding, you got deposed into pettiness. This is a University not an agriculture college therefore you may find the debates not digestible... Cde George Mogaladi On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: "Vice Chancellor" was a sarcastic joke by a comrade called Neville Felix who used to be a member of the Gauteng PEC of the SACP at the time, say eight or nine years ago. So this joke of Cde Felix's kind of stuck and that is how nicknames are created. I am not ashamed of this nickname. There are no universities in the bourgeois countries that teach the revolutionary literature in a revolutionary way. Not even if the Minister of Higher Education is the GS of the Party. (But he has always encouraged the CU, by the way). The establishment of this Communist University as a full dress institution is a work-in-progress that is like the creation of the Soviets of Russia prior to the October revolution. The first Soviets appeared in 1905. Of course they were "unofficial" or "spaza" or "virtual" for a long time. So this is how it goes. The "VC" thing started as a joke but it can one day be a reality, if not with me, then with somebody else being the VC. Just so long as it remains a wild, rebel, revolutionary university and does not get tamed and boxed in like all the other universities that we have. VC! On 30 July 2013 16:51, Mandla Chala <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Comrades What qualities had to be looked at for a person to be a VC of CU ? How did this VC thing came about ? On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Tshepo Msibi <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Mouthful cde Elijah. TSHEPO MSIBI | HR Admin <image001.jpg> Aveng Group Aveng Grinaker LTA Inland Kusile Pipeline- Victor Khanye Mpumalanga D: +27 xx xxx xxxx | Cell : +27 72 664 0819<tel:%2B27%2072%C2%A0664%200819> Tel: +27 11 923 5000<tel:%2B27%2011%C2%A0923%205000> | Fax: +27 xx xxx xxxx Email [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> | www.aveng.co.za<http://www.aveng.co.za/> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Elijah Mantshi Sent: 29 July 2013 06:36 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? Mandlakhe Your self imposed masquerade of super righteousness is not moving us. You should educate yourself about simply definitions of a "child" from both the dictionary and children's act. How dare you refer to a 26 year old married woman as a child? Are you undermining and saying the husband married a child, why not take the husband to a court of law if the woman is a child. Your reference to our GS as "self acclaimed child molester" is not only disrespectful but also degrading. About sex positions I will not entertain your lack of sex art, who said missionary position is a moral acceptable position above others? Don't expose your lean romantic skills in public for now we all know how a sex-bore you are. Cosatu is not a spaza shop hence it is not run as such. Cosatu follow procedure and protocol. This labour union do not respond to empty factional emotions fueled by media sensationalism. We trust our CEC to apply their minds not emotions on the matter, like Mandlakhes of this world. Some have charged, tried and given Cde Vavi a guilty verdict in a court of public opinion. These hooligans now want to spoon feed us with their poison. We reject your poison and we support the GS, Cde Zwelinzima Vavi, against all forces of darkness directed towards him. How can you charge and judge a human being on moral grounds, because morals meet no standards? Viva Cde Vavi viva Long live Cde Vavi long live Phantsi ngomanyonyoba phantsi Phantsi ngamagundwane amambi phantsi Phantsi ngama opportunists phantsi Elijah Ulrich Zwingli-Mantshi CEO : Elcone Designs and Print Cell : 0827308964 email : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Facebook : Elijah Ulirch Zwingli-Mantshi twitter : @elijahm3 "We learn that all these things are changing and destructible, but that he who conjoined them ... is necessarily unchanging and immutable" Ulrich Zwingli, Swiss reformer ________________________________ From: "Sazi Mpehlo" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 16:25:17 +0200 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [CU] What will people say? We are telling you cde,he is going nowhere you can romantisize your statement the way you want it,but touch him you will see!!! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]>On Behalf Of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 4:14 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? Cdes, these speculations helps no one. Certainly not least the victim! The VC is correct, Vavi is the number one accused here so we can't and won't fall for his self pity ploy. No one forced him to circumvent due processes in his jobs for pals/girlfriend scheme. Certainly no one put a gun in his head to commit such a despicable act in the office, during working hours, with a woman half his age (while standing nogal). So I fail to understand all this sympathy with this self confessed child molester. He will go down in the annals of history of the trade union movement as the GS who preyed on young, vulnerable, desperate young girls. May Cosatu fire this sex pest! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ________________________________ From: Molebalwa Madito <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 14:00:24 +0000 To: [email protected]<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [CU] What will people say? Not surprised at all this VC of yours have long been anti-Vavi and he never hides it. Eat your humble pie VC. Its us workers who will remove Vavi from that position not you or those who plotted this against him. Viva Vavi Viva!!! ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf Of Ngpola, M. (Mcebisi) Sent: 29 July 2013 03:53 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [CU] What will people say? Cde VC No man! people do change , you must change too !! You seem to be looking forward to berry this man so early every chance you get . From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf Of Dominic Tweedie Sent: 29 July 2013 03:47 PM To: Group Communist University Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? The announcement of the victim's withdrawal came from Vavi in a "tweet". Let us await the announcement of the disciplinary, and/or the woman's own statement. VC On 29 July 2013 15:42, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: She has a right to continue or withdraw the grievance. We should accept her decision for withdrawing. CEC should then update the members on how to deal with sex on duty of the GS. If is not regarded as a misconduct I will personally accept and if regarded as misconduct will await the outcome of the CEC and abide by its decision. Amandla Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: Ngpola, M. (Mcebisi) Sent: Monday 29 July 2013 15:35 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Reply To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [CU] What will people say? Cde RATHIPA You seem very angry with the outcome Nkokheli !! Vavi will lead for as long as the workers want him , just like the SG of the party is From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of RATHIPA RAMPEDI Sent: 29 July 2013 03:19 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? Comrades No matter how the internal processes unfold at COSATU, Vavi first hired the poor woman without following the correct procedure, that thing in itself shows that he had his own agendas on the woman. He thought in his mind that she can't get a job for free and he had sex with her to pay him for giving her job on a platter. Nogal in the office of the federation. Common comrades politics aside, this SG is totally out of order and need to disciplined. Sent from my iPad On 29 Jul 2013, at 15:10, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: A welcome development Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ________________________________ From: "Elijah Mantshi" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:39:17 +0000 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? Cde Nakedi If this be true I would like to see the face of our VC and his cronies when they express their facial muscle pull at the news that the woman is succumbing to a fact finding process. I have always maintained this was more than just a normal office sex activity at the offices of COSATU. Let her do justice by naming and shaming her "naked advisers" Cosatu biggest unions have today maintained their support of our SG, including NUM's Frans Baleni. I wonder what is there to say from those who have associated themselves with a contrary view claiming top be aligned to NUM. Unions who made a statement so far from FAWU, NUMSA and NUM have pledged their support for our Cde Vavi. Am waiting to see a Cosatu affiliated union that is speaking a foreign language to that of the above mentioned unions. I wonder also as to which union do those nailing Vavi are coming from, or we have political spectators informed and motivated by media moral Gods. Elijah Ulrich Zwingli-Mantshi CEO : Elcone Designs and Print Cell : 0827308964 email : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> : [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Facebook : Elijah Ulirch Zwingli-Mantshi twitter : @elijahm3 "We learn that all these things are changing and destructible, but that he who conjoined them ... is necessarily unchanging and immutable" Ulrich Zwingli, Swiss reformer ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:09:36 +0000 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? BREAKING NEWS The complainant withdrew the "grievance" after just 2hrs into the process. VAVI thanks his supporters and family Sent from my BlackBerry® ________________________________ From: Malekate Maditsi <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 13:39:06 +0200 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? Lets forget about non essential matters of sex scandal, it happens to everybody. Bill Clinton was one of them. But we know without doubt that Cde Vavi was set up by the ruthless criminals found in our alliance. Cde Vavi will survive this onslaught by these forces of darkness. One day VC & his friends will wake up & find they have lost state power & legitimacy. The people of South Africa will wake up one day & defend revolution of Cde Chris & Slovo. We will continue ask ourselves the question, what's to be done? One day we will have answers, we are not prepared to betray the relentless spirit of Cde Che Guevara or the gallant contribution of Cuba to the battle of Cuito Caunavale & our revolution as a whole. Perhaps VC should tell us & ask the President of NUM Senzeni Zokwana & many like him to explain why are they on the payrolls of the enemy [big business]. We know Zokwana never said anything about media report that he is getting more than a million salary from Ashanti Gold & not only him. And please don't forget the ask the president of the ANC & the country to resign, he once faced a sex scandal. Communist Regtards Malekate On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:53 AM, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Cde Gugu he is accused of rape not misconduct and the complainant wants money that's it. If she had launched a grievance and follow the proper procedure surely Vavi would be faired in found guilty. Let us not be emotionally. He needs our support now then ever so please cdes let's. Unite and support one another, is the only way can liberate from Siyah Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:03:57 +0000 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? Vavi committed a workplace misconduct... Sex at work and Sex for a Job without following proper employment procedures. Regards Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ________________________________ From: "Sazi Mpehlo" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:56:55 +0200 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [CU] What will people say? Framed yes but Mr JZ cheated in that seat of President and no one asked for his removal why Vavi now? No we saw that he can escape from it even Vavi can escape.. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]On Behalf Of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 12:17 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? I'm a member of NUMSA the allegation about about our GS are false like I said FRAME Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 16:01:19 +0000 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device ________________________________ From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:00:14 +0200 To: Group Communist University<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? "Worker leader" is a technical term in COSATU unions that means a leader who remains employed by his or her original employer, like Cedric Gina, for example, the President of NUMSA, who is an employee of BHP Billiton. Zwelinzima Vavi is not one of those. Vavi gets salary from COSATU, and fees from directorships of companies. Concerning the apology, it was to the wife and to the world. Workers in COSATU were not mentioned, and Vavi communicated his "apology" to the media and not to the workers of COSATU through their structures. Vavi continues to claim that he is the victim, not his employee whom he admits to having sexual intercourse with in her office in COSATU House during working hours after locking the door. So long as Vavi claims to be the victim, his apology is not sincere. The victim is the worker, not Vavi. Vavi is not apologising to her but is setting lawyers on her, accusing her of extortion, a criminal offence. Vavi's supporters in NUMSA have issued a statement saying that: "We are aware that certain powerful leaders, within and outside COSATU, coerced the alleged woman colleague to falsify the rape claim in order to destroy comrade Vavis political career." So now the worker victim is being accused of being a spy who would use her body and allow a man to penetrate her vagina with his penis on the instructions of un-named people so as to trap the employer, Vavi? Shame on NUMSA! All of the accusations by Vavi and NUMSA are disgraceful. Every aspect of victim-abuse is being repeated here by the very organisations that are supposed to fight against such things. Zwelinzima Vavi is a disgrace. So long as he is there, COSATU is in disrepute. It is a scandal. Why are the women leaders of COSATU not speaking out? VC On 28 July 2013 17:21, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Cde Vavi is a worker leader. Trade unionist that achieved a lot for workers. He apologised to his wife and workers in COSATU. If after listening to the real story of what really happened through relevant affiliates in good standing, the support the GS of the federation. On stepping down, I advice that the GS remain. COSATU can call an early congress to decide on this matter. Sent from my BlackBerry ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:42:25 +0200 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? Sex on duty is straight dismissal that doesn't need deliberations. Then the rest shall follow. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday 28 July 2013 10:30 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? COSATU House where sexual harassment is practiced from the highest office or COSATU House a very expensive brothel where you can quick one round standing & be expected to pay 2million rand or COSATU House where all knives are out to get rid of Vavi by hook or crook. The incident will be not be discussed in isolation from COSATU House because it is where it happened. That's bringing the company in disrepute. Misconduct of the highest order. People are fired for sleeping at work and I think sex at work will warrants same punishment. Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday 28 July 2013 10:26 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Reply To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? Cdes kindly stop this arguing and defending , lets face the reality here the GS of our beloved federation acted inappropriately he admitted mos to have had Sex in the office whether its rape or not but it happened in OUR COSATU house offices. How d move forward? Will he take leave? Clearly both parties cannot work together until the case is finalized. I hope its not the female worker that has to stay at home. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ________________________________ From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 10:15:17 +0200 To: Group Communist University<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CU] What will people say? It was an answer to this question: "But Comrade Dominic, what does occupying Cosatu's General Secretary position for more than 2 decades have to do with this case???" Now that he has to go, we have to deal with the whole reality of what COSATU had become under his leadership. 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