Why do you make this about Vavi?...there's an organisation after all.
Sent from Samsung [email protected] wrote:Its preposterous to call what happened between Vavi and this young woman a abuse. Who abused who when it was done with both parties consents? @Ora2 what about the stress this young woman brought upon the Vavi's family? The point is each brought stress to his/her family by engaging in extramarital relationship... Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:15:37 +0200 To: YCLSA EOM Forum<[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] No confidence in Dlamini: Numsa There are no charges. There is a CEC tomorrow. A CEC is not a disciplinary. VC On 13 August 2013 10:03, <[email protected]> wrote: I think there is something wrong with Cosatu if they go on with the charges and expell the GS. It will be disastrous for the working class. And capitalism will white wash the revolution. Regards Cde Makingking Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 05:49:53 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] No confidence in Dlamini: Numsa Now it does make sense to me VC, comrade can imagine if it was your wife who is been abused by this powerful man. Do we know the stress he caused to another man's family, honestly he destroyed the happy family that was united by God. Let's face reality and stop been too loyal to the individual, Vavi abused his office power & maybe this kind of practice its been happening for years. Aluta!!!! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 07:18:10 +0200 To: YCLSA EOM Forum<[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] No confidence in Dlamini: Numsa "the man has already apologized to all parties concerned"? That is not true. It is a lie that you are putting here, Bongumusa. The man, Vavi, has not apologised to his victim. Instead, he spread her name to the public using the COSATU web site, while describing what he did to her, "doggie style", after locking the door of her office. Then he reported her to the police with accusations of criminal "extortion", which will put her in jail, and finally, he is suing her for damages, which her husband will have to pay because she does not have a job any more. For this you propose a warning and business as usual and look away from what happened to the woman that Vavi picked up from the check-in counter at O R Tambo, after showing her to his wife. If you accept Vavi's "apology" while he continues to destroy this young married woman and her husband, then you become part of that horrible dirty process that Vavi is still involved in and has never stopped being involved in. Nor is this the first such episode. Nor will it be the last, because the higher the stakes are for Vavi, the more the risk, and the more thrill he gets out of it. So you are lining yourself up to be complicit in something even worse in the future. If ever there was a "ticking time bomb", it is Vavi himself. When that is the case, something has to be done about it. So let us hope we can do something about it before the end of Women's Month. VC On 13 August 2013 05:48, <[email protected]> wrote: That does not warrant a harsh sanction other than a warning, the man has already apologized to all parties concerned. What do you want to happen fire him? In that case we must look very careful how the employer(membership) will react to the management(CEC) acts. Watch the space I foresee the beginning of the demise of this glorious trade union. And all that just there people who value their sworn allegiance to individuals than the mass mandate. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 01:52:18 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] No confidence in Dlamini: Numsa Bongumusa, can we then all have sex in our employers premises and let it be business as usual? Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device From: [email protected] Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:52:23 +0000 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] No confidence in Dlamini: Numsa We are seek and tired of this saga, can these people let Vavi continue with fighting serious issues like e-Tolls, labour brokers, corruption, etc., we are not of the business of nursing their sentiments we put Vavi there and there he shall remain until we state otherwise. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 22:00:58 +0200 To: YCLSA EOM Forum<[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] No confidence in Dlamini: Numsa The statement, contrived two days before the CEC, given first to the media, is not a decision. It is a script. It is a script for disruption. You can see this, too. No sangoma business is required. No rocket science, either. Message sent. Message received and understood. That's all. VC On 12 August 2013 21:22, manelisi tyatyantsi <[email protected]> wrote: VC How can you predict of what is going to happen?Are you a sangoma? Regards Manelisi Tyatyantsi On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 18:49:20 +0200 Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote NUMSA will try to collapse Wednesday's CEC with endless points of order and attacks on the chair. They will test the CEC. It is possible that they can waste the whole time available. this is what they will try to do. VC On 12 August 2013 16:07, Phuti <[email protected]> wrote: No confidence in Dlamini: Numsa The New Age, SAPA Comments by Cosatu president Sdumo Dlamini have "contaminated" a planned meeting to discuss the fate of general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi, Numsa said on Monday. "The reasons and motivation for the convening of the special CEC [central executive committee] on 14th August... [has] been contaminated and prejudged by the Cosatu president's public utterances," the National Union of Metalworkers of SA said in a statement. Numsa said Dlamini had "determined" that Vavi had brought the Congress of SA Trade Unions into disrepute before the CEC received a report on the matter. The CEC meeting, which was scheduled for Wednesday, follows an admission by Vavi to an extra-marital affair with a married junior employee at Cosatu. The employe e alleged that Vavi raped her, but she later withdrew her sexual harassment grievance against him. Numsa held a special central committee meeting on Sunday to discuss Cosatu's upcoming CEC meeting. It said after the meeting that it expected Dlamini to "engage the presidents of affiliates to rescue Cosatu from imploding". However, he asked Numsa president Cedric Gina to convene the presidents. This showed that Dlamini had "taken sides". 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