Rape is a crime VC, there's no doubt about that; and in fact, it must be an encouraging factor to the victim to lay a case with the SAPS. In the Zuma case, the victim laid a case - that's why policemen went round to the house, remember?
So you are going to be a judge of the alleged victims' all sorts of denials stunt or what's exactly your point on this statement!! The alleged victim is an adult and not a minor where police won't have to wait for a case to be opened, they would sommer go and arrest the pepertrator, statements shall follow. Or maybe Vavi must just go to the police and "klagt" himself so that police can take a statement. Maybe you'll be a happy man neh! Your personal hatred to Cde Vavi has clouded your judgement as you've not being objective on the whole saga. Why don't you apply to be a warrant officer and sommer go and take Vavi in, you'll quickly be promoted to be a Commissioner because you would have opened what the police couldn't open, i.e. the highest form of intelligence... Gatwe motho ga a tlhobogiwe fela wena monna!!!!!!!! ke latlhela toulo On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]>wrote: > > You are forgetting that rape is a crime. It does not require a civil > action. > > In the Zuma case, the policeman went round to the house, remember? > > And there were all sorts of denials, by the way, from the alleged victim. > > The police should take statements, at the very least. Surely, they know > about it. Vavi put it all on the COSATU web site. The whole country knows > about it. > > > VC > > > On 14 August 2013 07:41, Mpho Lebese <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Which Court are you refering to Kenneth? that woman hasn't laid a rape >> case against Vavi!! This is different from Zuma's matter as her accuser >> laid a rape case against him and there was court proceedings as a result. >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Kenneth Lekhuleni < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Vavi must do the same. Excuse himself from GS office until he is proven >>> to be correct in a court of law. Instead of further victimising the victim. >>> On 13 Aug 2013 13:40, "Dominic Tweedie" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Ha ha ha. >>>> >>>> VC >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 August 2013 13:28, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ** >>>>> As things stand,Vavi has not been charged with anything. So,this >>>>> statement is irrelevant. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *Sive Gumenge <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sender: *[email protected] >>>>> *Date: *Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:14:45 +0200 >>>>> *To: *<[email protected]> >>>>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [YCLSA Discussion] 2005 - COSATU statement on the >>>>> charging of the ANC Deputy President with rape >>>>> >>>>> ....lol...lol....where is this going??? ey but VC...lol... Cde ZV must >>>>> follow his writtings....lol... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 12:42 PM, VC <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> *6 December 2005* >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> *COSATU statement on the charging of the ANC Deputy President with >>>>>> rape* >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> The Congress of South African Trade Unions has noted that ANC Deputy >>>>>> President Jacob Zuma has today been charged with rape in the Johannesburg >>>>>> Magistrates Court.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> COSATU welcomes this development. It will put an end to the >>>>>> speculation in the media, afford the alleged victim an opportunity to >>>>>> pursue justice in a court of law, and afford the accused the same >>>>>> opportunity to defend himself in court. We also note that he has denied >>>>>> the >>>>>> charges.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> We call on all, including the media, to respect the rights of both >>>>>> the alleged victim and the accused. Our constitution and laws protect >>>>>> both >>>>>> the alleged victim and perpetrator, with no exceptions. No attempt should >>>>>> be made to prejudge or prejudice either of them. We regret that both >>>>>> parties involved in this matter have already been heavily prejudiced by >>>>>> some in the media.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> COSATU has always been implacably opposed to the abuse of women, >>>>>> especially to the despicable crime of rape. We are participating strongly >>>>>> in the 16 days of activism against the abuse of women and children. A >>>>>> charge of rape is very serious, and anyone prov ed guilty deserves the >>>>>> severest punishment.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> Should the allegations against the ANC Deputy President be proven to >>>>>> be correct, COSATU will demand the appropriate sentence, just as we do in >>>>>> all cases involving sexual and other forms of abuse of women and >>>>>> children. >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> COSATU has noted that the ANC Deputy President has issued a statement >>>>>> that he will suspend his participation in the position of leadership of >>>>>> the >>>>>> ANC until the rape trial is over. COSATU fully supports his decision. It >>>>>> is >>>>>> the right thing to do. Any leader accused of such a hideous crime must at >>>>>> least take leave until such time that the allegations have been proven to >>>>>> be correct or incorrect.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> We note that he does this not because the ANC constitution or any >>>>>> structure asked him to do so, but because of his adherence to his own >>>>>> teachings on revolutionary morality. Obviously he will be able to resume >>>>>> his responsibilities as ANC Deputy President once he has been found not >>>>>> guilty in court.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> In this regard we call for a speedy trial and the conclusion of this >>>>>> matter as soon as practically possible, bearing in mind the public >>>>>> interest >>>>>> on the matter and the need to ensure that the victim and the ANC Deputy >>>>>> President are not prejudiced by unnecessary delays.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> ** ** >>>>>> >>>>>> COSATU strongly believes that the rape allegations are separate from >>>>>> the corruption charges that the ANC Deputy President faces. These are two >>>>>> different matters and must be treated as such. COSATU firmly stands by >>>>>> its >>>>>> decision to support the ANC Deputy President on the alleged corruption >>>>>> case. We believe he was not treated fairly and that his chances of >>>>>> receiving a fair trial are very slim or non-existent. 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