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Date: Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [CU] Vavi's patriarchy: COSATU House now seen as a brothel
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Men are from earth and so are women,just deal with it unless u have a
logical contrast to opposing views in a fashionable fallacy of biased
assumption.
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From: "Peter Tshabalala" <[email protected]>
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:40:07
To: <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [CU] Vavi's patriarchy: COSATU House now seen as a brothel

The theory of sex between two people that the article desribes confuses me
completely, where does one find the theory that says only women can
initiate sex? Yes we have a problem of seniors abusing their position to
get sex, frm NECs down to BECs, it does not matter whether its COSATU,
SACP, or ANC, so y not deal with a tendency as a whole instead of focusing
on an individual as if he is the only one. We all knw that most politicians
dont allow their wifes or spouses to partake in politics because of the
same tendancy, meaning its a national problem, so lets deal with it, nt
with an individual We live in a society where females wear mini's to seduce
males in giving them what they want, now if I as youth get tempted, it
means any other individual can be temted, lets also educate our women nt to
allow a situation where by they present themselves as sex objects, because
males are males, regardless of position and status in society.

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From: mohale thoka <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 12:50:45 PM GMT-0700
Subject: Re: [CU] Vavi's patriarchy: COSATU House now seen as a brothel


 A well articulated and straight forward article. Thank you.



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On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 9:47 PM EEST VC wrote:

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>Vavi's patriarchy
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>COSATU House now seen as a mini daytime brothel
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>Lukhona Mnguni, The Times, Johannesburg, 13 August 2013
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>On the eve of Women's month, South Africa was treated to what has become
>somewhat normal in this country - the act of adultery by yet another person
>but this time an outspoken politician - Zwelinzima Vavi - who carries
>himself as a champion of all the downtrodden on all issues of oppression,
>including that of patriarchy in our society.
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>Adultery (as wrong as it is) is not the enemy here; the grave circumstances
>surrounding Vavi's adultery are the subject of great concern.
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>Vavi has become too big for his own shoes, in his imaginary world, he is
the
>saviour and only person able to unveil the sins of the current government
>and thus he cannot be innocently faulted nor held accountable for his
>misdemeanours.
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>As he will brush off such effort for accountability as part of a political
>plot to silence him. Given this knowledge, wisdom (if applicable) should
>have counselled Vavi never to partake in such senseless acts, at the height
>of his political vulnerability, post the Mangaung ANC conference.
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>The truth is that Vavi knew his interest in Yyyyy Xxxxx was genuine the day
>he met her in the SAA counters at the airport in 2011.
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>For him to now suddenly spin this as a political conspiracy is senseless,
>opportunistic and demeaning of Xxxxx's integrity and dignity.
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>Vavi wrote in a press statement of the 27/07/13, "Lately as we all know,
>these efforts to destroy me have intensified. I am unable not to view this
>matter [of Xxxxx's complaint] in the same light."
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>These remarks lack sobriety. Vavi hired and took interest in Xxxxx, unless
>he suggests that his hormones are political by nature - to his own
detriment
>of course.
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>Here, Vavi uses political rivalry and knowledge of the existence of
>adversaries as a cheap scapegoat. In his response to the formal grievance
>laid against him, Vavi submits that his documents ".will be conclusive to
>show that the complainant is not truthful in her allegations against me and
>that it will show up her true agenda."
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>Again, here, Vavi delegitimises Xxxxx's claims by boxing her as an agent of
>destruction that is now in cahoots with his political adversaries.
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>Women face this challenge every day, whereby they are seen as proxies for
>others, without a genuine voice to table their own concerns - as though
they
>are immune to suffering in any form.
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>Xxxxx claims that she "did not know who he [Vavi] was or how important he
>was" during their first encounter, up until her husband enlightened her
that
>this was "the big union boss" she was talking about.
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>Vavi's behaviour towards the complainant, from the first day to the day of
>the dropping of the complaint against Vavi, has been filled with evident
>patterns of feeding off the patriarchal position Vavi finds himself
enjoying
>in our society.
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>Not only is Vavi a product of a patriarchal society, he occupies a
political
>position that bolsters his inherent teachings from society and assists him
>to further perpetuate them, knowingly or otherwise.
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>Here let us deal with Vavi's insistence, and for a moment accept, that the
>encounter between him and Xxxxx was consensual. He writes, "All our
>encounters were encounters between two consenting adults who clearly had
>feelings for one another".
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>What Vavi fails to add is that even though consent might have existed it
did
>between two people with asymmetric power relations.
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>He had already demonstrated his powerfulness to Xxxxx by hiring her without
>due process as she claims "there wasn't even an interview" for the job
>offer.
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>This can be interpreted as Vavi deliberately using his position of power
and
>privilege to bring in Xxxxx to the COSATU stable albeit without knowledge
of
>her expertise. One may ask, are women always victims? In all likelihood
yes,
>in a society that reinforces women inferiority and subordination daily.
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>Xxxxx, like any other individual in South Africa, especially as a mother,
>has an interest to upward mobility - monetarily - in order for her to
secure
>a bright future for her children.
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>Vavi who often talks about "the ticking time bomb" of unemployment is much
>aware of this. Vavi, the negotiator on behalf of employees who seek to get
>their salaries raised daily in order to access a better life, knew the
>vulnerability of Xxxxx given her position in society both as a low-level
>employee in SAA and as a mother eager to earn more.
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>Vavi then exploited his position and put resources of COSATU as bait enough
>to bring closer to him someone who had evidently strike his hormones the
day
>he laid his eyes on her.
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>The nature of the first kiss between the two has not been described to us.
>However, psychoanalysis and the existence of asymmetric power relations
make
>it possible to infer that Xxxxx was under immense pressure to prove her
>loyalty to Vavi and thus not disappoint his desires in order for her to
keep
>her job that Vavi so generously sweated and 'head-hunted' her for.
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>This is what makes these revelations a serious organisational matter,
>contrary to the belief of the National Union of Metalworkers of South
Africa
>(Numsa). Numsa in a press statement on the matter stated: "We will be
>looking out for signs that these anti-revolutionary working class forces
>that are hell bent on destroying the federation, and thus irreparably
>fragmenting and weakening the power of the revolutionary working class in
>this country, try to migrate a private and personal matter into an
>organisational matter, in Cosatu."
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>These remarks also lack sobriety. Fornication during office hours, between
a
>Secretary General of the biggest labour federation and a staff member, is
>definitely an organisational matter. Again, Xxxxx's suffering is relegated
>to being a subtext of Numsa's concerns.
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>Their primary focus is to derail and 'deal' with their political
adversaries
>(which in this case that happens to be Vavi's hormones and not actual
>people).
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>Eagerly Numsa in the same statement writes, ".we are convinced that the
>working class cause for real freedom, equality and dignity for and between
>the sexes - socialism - is only harmed by the subordinate, humiliating,
>insulting and demeaning position which our inherited patriarchal and
>capitalist system imposes on women, both in the home and at work."
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>To Numsa Vavi is not part of entrenching this 'inherited patriarchal and
>capitalist system' simply because he is a union boss. The reality is that
>both patriarchy and capitalism exist even in Cosatu House.
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>Men subject women to their sexual fantasies and expect action and on the
>other hand staff members (workers) are giving their services in exchange
for
>payment (a true capitalist exchange: labour for money) and perhaps even
more
>is expected in Cosatu - sex during office hours.
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>Evidently, sex had never been part of the occurrences between these two
>before the January encounter. However, the day it happened Vavi admittedly
>"locked her office door but only to ensure that no one else could come in".
>Thus, without further evidence, it is Vavi who decided that it was time to
>upgrade this flirtatious affair to sexual intercourse. His position of
being
>a patriarch allowed him. Did he get consent from Xxxxx to lock the door? It
>seems Vavi fails to take lessons from Teddy Pendegrass' Close the door
song.
>It is the woman that gets asked to close the door and that becomes the
first
>act of consent towards her having "no need to worry no more" on the path to
>sexual intercourse.
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>After the sex, Vavi also assumed another patriarchal role evident during
>sexual intercourse, he says, "After that [sex] I asked her affectionately
if
>she was okay, and when she assured me that she was okay I left the office."
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>Why would she not be okay if the sex was consens

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