Cde Domza, My personal view has always been clear on the Vavi saga, it has at all material times being informed by the dictates of my conscience. Suffice it to say, I shall have never opted to either promote or attempt to understand the unfortunate actions by the suspended COSATU GS. For me, what Vavi did is totally unacceptable and the suspension as a result of his misguided actions remains literally correct. However, I am of the view that condemning scientific facts on the acts of some, should not be determined by whether Vavi admitted to his wrong doings or shall have uttered irresponsible statements such as "We all do these things in dark corners" like some might want to argue.
We need to deal with matters as they come and stop pretending as if what Vavi did, would permit some to further engage commit sexual harassment or any other patriarchal tendency. Therefore, cde VC, I hope you'll agree with me that any man who takes advantage of our vulnerable sisters in arms or rather promote any form of patriarchy, is a megalomania who thinks women are nothing but objects meant to fulfill their sexual desires. Such persons are indeed not suitable for office, let alone to lead any component of the revolutionary alliance more especially COSATU and its affiliates, if I were to borrow your words Sent from uNxasana On 16 Sep 2013, at 6:39 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Use of COSATU main website was wrong!Very wrong. > > I never agreed with VC on the Vavi matter (often unreasonable) But I believe > what Vavi did on a Cosatu website was/is totally wrong- it amount, in my > narrow interpretation, to abuse of power on its own- let alone what the woman > was doing, but I can't justify the publication of such info- it was premature > and emotionally driven action. > > Such could be published on Facebook or even Twitter- or retweet a City Press > link! > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > From: Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 18:28:59 +0200 > To: YCLSA EOM Forum<[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] VAVI CAMP TO REVEAL 'WORSE' AFFAIRS > > > > Wrong, Cde Yaqub, > > Vavi is the subject of a disciplinary process that includes a lot of "common > cause" about his sexual misconduct including such details as that he > personally hired the young married woman, half his age, after showing her to > his wife, and that on the day, a few weeks later, he went to her office, > locked the door behind him, uncovered her private parts and imposed sexual > intercourse on her "standing up" during office hours. > > This is all "common cause" because Vavi has described it. He did so on the > COSATU web site, making sure that he revealed the woman's name, cell number > and e-mail address. This was abuse of the COSATU web site, as well. > > There is no equivalence, or any question of "two wrongs making a right" for > Vavi. Comparisons are odious. Please do not try to wash off this matter on > other people. > > Now, Vavi is trying to insult the young woman publicly, and through her, all > women. He has already insulted men in general when he said "We all do these > things in dark corners". Perhaps you accept that, Cde Yaqub, but I do not. > What it is supposed to mean is that we are all bad like him and maybe he is > not the worst, > > He wants to be let off, just like the "Corruption Watch" (Mary Metcalfe) let > him off. > > A man who insults everybody, in the middle of his own squalid, admitted > exposure, is a megalomaniac who thinks he can do anything. This person is not > suitable for any office, let alone that of GS of COSATU. > > > VC > > > > > > > On 16 September 2013 16:00, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> You're correct nkokheli, it doesn't change the fact that uVavi had sex in >> our offices but it actually attempts to address the deep rooted challenges >> of office abuse and sexual harrassment in our offices. Remember the Slovo >> Majola and Joe Mpisi issues are also scientific facts >> >> Sent from Samsung Mobile >> >> >> [email protected] wrote: >> >> Whatever they say its does not change the fact of the matter; which is that >> vavi had sex in our offices, during working hours, subsequently bringing our >> gigantic federation image into disrepute. >> And that my comrades is the scientific fact. >> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device >> From: Mthimkulu Mashiya <[email protected]> >> Sender: [email protected] >> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 11:00:05 +0200 >> To: <[email protected]>; >> <[email protected]> >> ReplyTo: [email protected] >> Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] VAVI CAMP TO REVEAL 'WORSE' AFFAIRS >> >> >> >> Vavi camp to reveal 'worse' Cosatu affairs >> >> Supporters of suspended Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi's >> reinstatement have called for consistency in dealing with sexual >> indiscretion. >> >> 13 Sep 2013 00:00 Matuma Letsoalo >> >> >> >> The bitter battle over the future of suspended Cosatu general secretary >> Zwelinzima Vavi will intensify this week, not only in court, but in the >> trade union federation’s boardrooms. >> >> Vavi’s supporters are now accusing his opponents in Cosatu’s leadership of >> selective morality by hiding “worse” sexual indiscretions of their own, >> including fathering children out of wedlock with junior staff. >> >> Vavi’s allies are expected to raise these potentially explosive allegations >> against at least two prominent unionists at Cosatu’s central executive >> meeting next week, which was supposed to be used to avoid a messy court >> battle between the National Union of Metalworkers (Numsa) and other >> affiliates, a battle that began and was then postponed on Tuesday. >> >> Vavi is this week launching a separate urgent court application in the South >> Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg to have his suspension lifted. >> >> The pro-Vavi Numsa went to court this week to have him reinstated after his >> suspension at a special Cosatu leadership meeting on August 14. >> >> Vavi was suspended after admitting that he had had a sexual relationship >> with a 26-year-old colleague. >> >> · Read: Jim’s fervour is lost on the alliance >> >> Vavi’s allies are planning to use the central executive meeting starting on >> Monday, and the court proceedings, to argue that he was victimised by his >> political enemies within the federation. >> >> Office romances >> Other senior Cosatu leaders allegedly involved in office romances with >> junior staff include Fikile Majola, ANC national executive committee member >> and general secretary of the National Education, Health and Allied Workers’ >> Union (Nehawu), and another senior union office bearer. >> >> The Mail & Guardian has the latter official’s name and that of the junior >> official he allegedly impregnated, but decided not publish it as he had not >> responded to requests for comment on the allegation at the time of going to >> press. >> >> Public sector union Nehawu’s leadership consists of some of Vavi’s >> staunchest opponents in Cosatu. >> >> Majola has allegedly sired three children with two different junior >> officials within Nehawu’s Gauteng and Western Cape offices. The M&G >> understands the Western Cape official obtained a garnishee order against >> Majola to support her two children. >> >> Approached by the M&G for comment, Majola admitted to fathering only one >> child with the Western Cape junior staffer. >> >> “I don’t care about who I sleep with,” said Majola. “But the fact is I don’t >> mix [office romance] with my union work. >> >> “I don’t have two kids with her [the Western Cape staffer]. She fell >> pregnant and told me about it. After some time, I accepted one child. I >> don’t know who the father of the other is, but I am looking after my own. I >> can’t disown my child. I am taking responsibility.” >> >> Maintenance >> Majola also admitted that he got romantically involved with his wife while >> she was a shop steward in Mpumalanga. At the time, Majola was Nehawu deputy >> general secretary. >> >> Majola said he had since stopped paying maintenance after reaching an >> agreement with the Western Cape Nehawu official. >> >> “I pay no maintenance. The child I have with her stays with us [Majola and >> his current wife]. Whoever told you about the R1000 [garnishee order] has >> old information. You can check this at Nehawu,” said Majola, who was in >> China this week. >> >> He continued: “Attempts to pre-empt next week’s Cosatu CEC [central >> executive committee] by spreading allegations about other unaffected leaders >> of Cosatu won’t work. It’s too late.” >> >> The M&G also understand that Vavi is planning to take the federation to the >> Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration to contest the >> suspension. >> >> A senior Cosatu leader who asked not to be named said the federation needed >> to be consistent in dealing with issues of sexual harassment and >> relationships between leaders and their subordinates. >> >> “If they are going to target Vavi, they must also deal with others who are >> guilty of the same things he did, or worse,” said the leader. >> >> Prejudiced >> “Many Cosatu leaders are guilty of the same conduct [sleeping with juniors]. >> All the general secretaries are running the unions like their spaza shops. >> What did Vavi do that they did not do? What Vavi did is like a picnic >> compared to others. >> >> “Most of the union leaders see gender as secondary. In many unions, women >> leaders get into leadership by sleeping with male leaders.” >> >> The application by Numsa, with the Food and Allied Workers’ Union and the >> South African Football Players Union, to have Vavi’s suspension overturned >> was postponed in the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg after an >> application by opposing unions to intervene was allowed. >> >> Unions opposing Numsa’s application to have the special central executive >> committee meeting that suspended Vavi declared invalid include the National >> Union of Mineworkers, the National Education, Health and Workers Union, the >> South African Democratic Teachers Union, the Chemical, Energy, Paper, >> Printing, Wood and Allied Workers Union, the South African Transport and >> Allied Workers Union, the Police and Prisons Civil Rights Union and the >> finance union South African Society for Bank Association. Vavi will >> challenge the decision to suspend him on the basis that Cosatu president >> Sdumo Dlamini allegedly prejudiced himself because he circulated the >> supposedly fabricated intelligence report intended to smear Vavi’s name. >> >> Vavi will argue that a number of affiliate leaders prejudiced themselves in >> that they were clearly influenced by the intelligence report allegedly >> circulated by Dlamini. >> >> He will also argue that Dlamini chaired the special CEC that suspended him, >> even though he publicly found him guilty of bringing the federation into >> disrepute. >> >> In its answering affidavit, Cosatu argues that Vavi’s reinstatement would >> jeopardise the investigation against him and the junior employee he admitted >> to having had sex with in her office. >> >> All material © Mail & Guardian Online. Material may not be published or repr -- -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. 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