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Interview with Bheki Ntshalintshali

 

 

Matuma Letsoalo, Mail and Guardian, Johannesburg, 26 November 2015

 

The newly elected COSATU general secretary, Bheki Ntshalintshali, has blamed
and named senior members of the ANC-led tripartite alliance for the
factional crisis that has wrecked the union federation in recent years.

 

In an interview with the Mail and Guardian on the sidelines of the COSATU
congress on Thursday, Ntshalintshali listed the ANC secretary general, Gwede
Mantashe, the South African Communist Party (SACP) general secretary, Blade
Nzimande, the SACP deputy chairperson and former general secretary of the
South African Democratic Teachers' Union (SADTU), Thulas Nxesi, and ANC
national executive committee member Fikile Majola as being among those who
intensified the factional battles in the federation.

 



Bheki Ntshalintshali

 

He said these leaders, who had a close personal relationship, formed an
informal caucus and took decisions before COSATU central executive committee
meetings. They would later use their influence to get these decisions
rubber-stamped by the committee.

 

"The issue of relationships between the leadership of COSATU and its
affiliates has to be organizational all the time. It can't be a personal
relationship to an extent that I can't tell you that 'this thing is wrong'.

 

"One of the things that put COSATU in the mess that it was in was the
relationship of what was called the 'progressive leaders' of the federation.
Nzimande, [former general secretary Zwelinzima] Vavi, Mantashe, Majola and
Nxesi were people who were sitting together deciding before the meetings of
COSATU. When they disagreed, when this thing disintegrated, they were hating
[each other] like nobody's business. They were not even on speaking terms.

 

"I don't think you would hear Zweli talking about Mantashe being good, Nxesi
being good. My view is that they moved beyond the organizational
relationship. They had a personal relationship. When there was disagreement,
they moved in all directions. I think we need to avoid that," he said.

 

Mantashe said he did not understand why Ntshalintshali would talk about
meetings of which he was not part. "Is he saying he was part of those
meetings? He can't talk if he was not there. He is speculating. I can't give
credence to speculations."

 

Majola said he did not wish to talk about matters relating to COSATU.

 

"It is not appropriate for me to continue talking about COSATU issues even
after I left. If there are issues about me when I was NEHAWU [National
Education, Health and Allied Workers' Union] leader, the union must
respond," he said.

 

Nxesi said in an SMS: "I dismiss these lies with the contempt that they
deserve. Bheki will never say that. It's your imagination, which is just
meant to drive a wedge nor alienate certain individuals from COSATU - an
agenda driven by you."

 

Nshalintshali partly agreed with former deputy president Kgalema Motlanthe,
who said the tripartite alliance was dead.

 

"We can't deny everything that Mkhulwa [Motlanthe's nickname] raised. He is
a man of integrity. He may not be as close as we are regarding some issues,
or he might not be seeing any progress. He might be asking the same issues
that workers are asking. 'You agreed on this thing but [it] is not
happening'. If you can count about five things that we all agreed that there
has been no progress on, he will be correct to make a conclusion and say,
from where he is coming, [that] the alliance is not working'."

 

Transcribed

 

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