Hi Derick, I am well, thank you. My reason for retirement was a loss of grant money, despite doing some very successful research (which contributed in part to a Nobel Prize 20 years ago). I don't expect to be able to get grant money in this economic climate without a university affiliation.
In any case, even though I find the PowerStation a very interesting platform, I am pretty committed to OS X. As I have said a number of times, the free apps for ppc linux just don't compare, in my opinion. I have my ps3 with linux and am able to do some Cell development (when I get the time) on it using the free compilers, which are not that much worse than the commercial ones. Cheers, wn On Mar 6, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Derick Centeno wrote: > Hi Warren: > > I hope that you are well. I just want to highlight something. It was > Apple which walked away from IBM's consortium regarding PowerPC > development which led up to the Cell, not the other way around. Apple > may yet crumble due to the fact it continues to be the least secure > commercially available operating system in the market place - a fact > consistently established for past several years, but that is a > different > problem for them and for anyone who doesn't care for their data while > using OS X. > > Regarding the topic in this thread I found that the User License for > IBM > XLC is $1,500: http://www-01.ibm.com/software/awdtools/xlcpp/ > multicore/ > > Academia is not within my experience other than providing computing/IT > server/database support within the college and large scale university > environment. It is my guess that you could attempt to qualify for or > otherwise attain, a Grant which could allow you to get this compiler > or > other products as you needed or wished to explore as an independent > researcher. I imagine if you went this route, you could put > together a > rather nice system comprising of the PowerStation, and a GigaAccel 180 > and do an amazing piece of research work. > > Hmmm you may have to come "out" of retirement though, I guess. You'll > see your own best path of course. > > All the best... > > > > > Warren Nagourney wrote: >> Rob, >> >> When IBM supported the Mac, I also did a comparison and found that >> xlc >> and xlf were from 20% to a factor of 2 faster than gcc and g77 (on a >> G5). More recently, when IBM released free versions of these products >> for the Cell, I did a comparison and found very little difference for >> both the ppu and spu versions. Things might have changed a bit since >> they started charging, but I wouldn't expect big changes. In any >> case, >> I can't afford the commercial products, so it is moot. >> >> wn >> >> On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:15 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >>> Warren, >>> If I remember correctly it is something like $800 for XLC/C++ and >>> $1200 for XLF , but *please* don't quote me on that. It has been >>> quite some time since I checked prices. >>> The last time I did a bake off of the xlc vs gcc was 5-6 years ago >>> on a Apple dual G4 box (bought ~2000, don't remember the exact >>> version), and xlc stomped all over gcc in math ops. I believe it >>> has closed the gap since then. >>> If you need support for some of the Dec extensions to Fortran-77 >>> your choices may be limited. I only found IBM's compiler and Absoft >>> that would handle some of the code I was porting. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Warren Nagourney" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Discussion List for Yellow Dog Linux User Topics" >>> <[email protected] >>> Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 2:58:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >>> Subject: Re: [ydl-gen] IBM XLC/C++ and XLF for YDL on Cell >>> >>> Kai, >>> >>> These are time-limited trial products. Do you know what the cost >>> of a >>> commercial license is? (Probably more than I can afford). >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Warren Nagourney >>> >>> On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Kai Staats wrote: >>> >>>> Yellow Dog and Cell Enthusiasts, >>>> >>>> We have posted a set of instructions for installing IBM XLC/C++ and >>>> XLF with >>>> Yellow Dog Linux on Cell: >>>> >>>> http://us.fixstars.com/support/solutions/ydl_6.x/ibm_xl.shtml >>>> http://us.fixstars.com/support/solutions/ydl_6.x/ibm_xl_fortran.shtml >>>> >>>> --FSS Staff >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> yellowdog-general mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >>>> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> >>>> site:terrasoftsolutions.com' >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yellowdog-general mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >>> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> >>> site:terrasoftsolutions.com' >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yellowdog-general mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >>> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> >>> site:terrasoftsolutions.com' >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yellowdog-general mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general >> HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> >> site:terrasoftsolutions.com' >> > > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-general mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general > HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> > site:terrasoftsolutions.com' _______________________________________________ yellowdog-general mailing list [email protected] http://lists.fixstars.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:terrasoftsolutions.com'
