> > From: "Pickled" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2005/03/13 Sun PM 07:10:14 EST > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: YDL based distro released > > Linux sucks, you guys are dummies not running OS X >
Hi to all of the YDL community, including Pickles! I've read the responses so far to Pickles statement and have admiration for the very traditional American -- Hang 'em High approach and booting this person off this list -- after of course the proper drawing and quartering/tar and feathering treatment he has earned and many perhaps feel it is their personal duty as upstanding religious members of the community to perform with appropriate fanfare. I admire the skill with which Pickles was tracked down and have no doubt that someone will have the fellow complete with his SS# and file the offender with Home Security and Immigration as a terrorist and persona non grata by the end of today if not by the end of the week. As much as I admire such diligence and energy expressed by others, I will present a view that Pickles is one individual in need of an education yes, but of a different kind and nature which will allow him to see his errors, as he survives the education process. One must survive and be allowed an opportunity to correct one's views and behaviour on one's own. But for that to happen Pickles must be lead to an understanding of why his current view is too narrow and deeply uninformed. In brief, he should be allowed to stay on the YDL lists, as long as he wishes. Others expressing truly vitriolic expletives have received less reaction from the membership of this list than Pickles has. If Pickles, has expressed anything he has merely expressed the kind of pickledness common pickles have when having been in the container in which they were pickled in too long! His exposure to OS X is something he has to get away from in order to have a bit of perspective, and apparently he has become one of those Mac lovers of the past who would state something like "they would have to pry their Macs from their cold death-frozen hands..." -- we all know who "they" are right?? So he belongs more to the Macaddict crowd, but hey they are a part of us too, right? So at base, there is no real problem here. Why create one? Let's leave ostracism and expulsion for those whose language and manner of abusive behavior actually deserve it. What Pickles and those like him should consider: OS X is a modified and specific version of BSD Unix in which all or nearly all traditionally available functions of Unix as a Server, have been removed, becoming "headerless", such that OS X is STRICTLY A CLIENT! The Server functions have been relegated to the Apple product known as "X Server". Even though this is so there have been professionals I have communicated with which have expressed that how OS X behaves given instructions as a Server is not unlike what a Server is supposed to do in the first place. I admit to being a bit surprised about this as programming professionally for Servers and for Clients are different in the sense of what the marketplace will pay for. Having said this however, Linux -- including YellowDog Linux -- have full Server facilities whereas the nature of what Server facilities are within OS X remain murky or unclear in comparison to Linux. Apple designed OS X intentionally to be a product simplified in full realization of the fact that not everyone is interested in running a Server nor would care to; therefore a straight comparison between OS X and Linux is unfair, as much more is available to the highly skilled professional via Linux AND THAT IS AVAIABLE FOR FREE UNDER THE GPL WHEREAS OS X SERVER IS NOT FREE (NOR IS OS X) ALTHOUGH APPLE HAS ALLOWED DARWIN TO EXIST AS CLOSE TO THE GPL license structure as it is comfortable with. BUT what Apple has with OS X and OS X Server is NOT a GPL product. As it is NOT a GPL product, whereas YDL IS someone who is proflific and skilled can develop both Server and Client products and test them within YDL on the systems one already has. This may not quite be the case with either OS X or OS X Server once a person investigates the matter closely. Consider that to ensure whatever Server product one may care to design one must have OS X Server, not the CLIENT alone and few people I know can spring immediately for a Server with added costs just to try something out. The way to go for Server testing purposes remains one way for both PC's and Macs -- and that is to go Linux! And while Linux does have problems, and may continue to have them for quite a while, one uses Linux not because it is simple and holds "one's hand" in a protected environment where one avoids intensive thinking and programming analysis...the Linux programmer uses Linux to do intensive research and development with the computers they are using and controlling every component of hardware it contains for their own purposes perhaps never envisioned by anyone anywhere else! Now THAT is the POWER of Thinking Differently and very fortunately for us Apple allows Terrasoft Solutions to load and install YellowDog Linux onto any and all Apple machines containing OS X, OS X Server and even now the enviable iPod WITHOUT VOIDING THE APPLE WARRANTY. NO other Linux can state that! NONE. I don't know if this clears anything up for Pickles, but these are things all of us should keep in mind. Apple has embraced what Microsoft has chosen to continue to malign and see as an enemy...Linux and the GPL! Now that is something we should remember as well. That allows us who want quality access to the architecture Apple and IBM use and full control in as precise a manner as we ourselves choose to contruct and utilize via Linux a method of research and experimentation we could not have without their cooperation and consideration. Of course, this is all hard work, but this is not the kind of work people like Pickles want or care to do. Just as not everyone is versed in the nuances of Quantum Chemistry -- not everyone is versed in the nuances of programming and designing for Servers and Clients...for those who are so interested in moving in this direction Linux and especially YDL is THE place TO BE! Where else is one going to acquire the AIX Server hardware IBM uses for less than $2,000? Linux is NOT AIX either, but if one is going to demontrate what one can do in AIX or any other commercial proprietary Unix, then YDL is the ONLY game in town to strut one's stuff! Again this is heady stuff, not for persons frightened of heights or persons who get queasy and whose eyes glaze over at the mention of Tensor equations and Josephson Junctions or creating new classes in C++ or libraries and drivers for Servers and Clients. This is for a unique class of researchers, developers, designers...in short -- thinkers, not afraid to think. Others will do or not, as they choose according to their capacity and comprehension. Fellow thinkers, let us allow those such as they are to be as what they choose to be...and let us move and direct our energy to more critical and really pressing things demanding our attention. _______________________________________________ yellowdog-general mailing list [email protected] http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-general HINT: to Google archives, try '<keywords> site:terrasoftsolutions.com'
