Derick,
You have made me more upset with your last email than any anonymous
internet persona has in my few years on the net. Your willful
spreading of misinformation (and the smug tone you take when you
falsely believe you are correct) incenses me greatly. I have gone
through several revisions of this response, attempting to tone down the
venom and leave just constructive information. Forgive me if I go
astray here or there at some point. Like I said, my utter failure to
educate you has had me seeing red this morning. Let's begin...
I realize that wikipedia doesn't have a sterling reputation. I very
well could have put that information there to make you look wrong. If
you check the history page, you can see I obviously didn't. But if you
believe this wiki page to be a hoax because you "guessed" that Apple
ripped off GOOM based on similar behavior, you are incorrect. Similar
solutions to the same problem is only correlation, not causation.
Furthermore, if you had even followed your own link, you would have
found that the software that you link to is a plugin for iTunes- NOT
the included iTunes visualizer.
"iGoom is a wonderful visual effect plug-in for iTunes for Mac OS X. A
mac standalone version is now also available. This is the Mac version
of Goom, originally written by Jean-Christophe Hoelt "jeko"
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and ported to iTunes by Guillaume Borios "gyom"
([EMAIL PROTECTED])"
However, your assertion that we won't have any more proof than your
"successful guess" is also wrong. Apple has licensed the software and
credited its developers. If you're booted into Mac OS X, launch
iTunes, select iTunes -> About iTunes from the menu and read from whom
they licensed their visualization engine. If you're in YDL, mount your
OS X partition, navigate to
/<osx-mnt-pt>/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/ . Open
Localized.rsrc- it's a binary file, so I recommend you use the strings
utility piped to less to get the info. You will find this text string
in the file: 'G-Force visualization engine licensed from Whitecap
Technologies, Inc.' If you surf here:
http://www.soundspectrum.com/about.html (the very website linked from
that "dubious" wiki page), you can read that Whitecap Technologies,
Inc. (now SoundSpectrum, Inc.) is indeed the heart of iTunes
visualization.
QED.
Far from suspecting you work for Apple, I read your initial post and
saw an accusation of GPL violations- defamation in a word. Not
something an Apple employee would do lightly. More akin to the
careless words of linux zealot. Indeed, it is your careless choice of
words and incessant posting that has driven me to hound every
misstatement you make. You must take more care to help build up
knowledge or else this list and it's newer members will find themselves
on a shaky foundation. It is OK to be wrong once in a while, but you
post so much and are wrong or misleading far too often for me to stand
idly by.
Have a nice weekend,
Jurvis LaSalle
ps no world class encyclopedic reference will ever have an entry on
such a trivial topic. wiki + references is the best we have atm.
On Feb 2, 2006, at 8:09 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:
Of course, it is easy to be mistaken as no one really knows what Apple
is doing.
However, my guess or rather why I came to believe that GOOM is
implemented within iTunes, is based upon how the visual portion of
iTunes behaves when the visualization feature which adapts images to
music spontaneously is activated. My "guess" is based upon long
observation of how GOOM behaves within xine within the YDL environment
as far back when YDL was in version 2.0. I didn't discover iTunes and
it's visualization feature until I received a powerbook as a gift last
year and ran OS X. I was able to recognize certain commonalities in
how the visualization engine behaved, my "guess" is based on those
observations. And Jurvis it's really ok to be wrong now and then ...
you do know that Wikipedia is hardly the bedrock of accurate
information... right? Wikipedia is however functional as a cheap and
fast lookup when one doesn't have access to a quality and
authoritative encyclopedic tome such as Britannica or other world
class encyclopedic reference.
Check this out:
http://www.ios-software.com/?page=projet&quoi=1
I'm sure you'll have better luck, next time..
Always, fondly....DC
To answer your other question, or implied question, I don't work for
Apple and really have no way of knowing what they installed or how
apart from carefully observing how the software in question (here
iTunes) behaves when it is activated to visualize music or present
images which "move to music". As I explained, my success in this
situation (the guess I made) stems from very close observation of how
software behaves and what is implemented when.
Ciao!!
On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:17 PM, Jurvis LaSalle wrote:
On Feb 2, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Derick Centeno wrote:
I'm convinced that GOOM is implemented within Apple's iTune's, they
are just not going to admit it to anyone.
I'm convinced that you are mistaken once again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoundSpectrum
Maybe, just maybe you saw someome who had installed the GOOM plugin
for iTunes...
htsys,
JL
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