Er, Dave. I really hadn't finished working on a response to your last
question. I was hoping that I would have time to research a few things
before I answered that one.
And now, well..., this.
Dave, it's not good. In short, one of the answers I was commenting
upon was why copy programs are always those I stay away from. They
tend to create nonsensical readings like this which you just posted.
And to address your NEW question, I'll comment that even you notice
that the values can't possibly be those of an 80G drive. I'm glad that
you got something of YDL working but that is not enough the whole
installation is supported by a logical "stack of cards" which I'm not
sure why it works, but I know it should not be working like that.
Meanwhile I'm not finished or ready to address the results of your
enthusiasm to forge ahead. So if you don't mind, I'll call attention
to your situation to other's whose background and skills are at a very
much different level than mine and whom may be able to address your
concerns at a pace which matches your drive. Don't do another thing
until you hear from them, ok?
Dr. Joseph Sacco. PAGING DR. SACCO. YOUR ASSISTANCE ON THE NEWBIE
LIST IS REQUESTED. PAGING DR. SACCO...
His Lordship Owen Stampflee. Lord Stampflee, please attend...
The Honorable Illuminatus Norberto. Please, your assistance is
requested.
Lords. Learned Gentlemen All.
Please assist this newbie... I was still considering one of his recent
questions when he, via his enthusiasm, found himself into plunging
ahead into this current woeful state.
He doesn't realize that he has nearly perfectly repeated the same
errors he reported to the newbie list back on August 8th!
Nor did I expect that such an event would occur.
As I am already working on a previous question which he posted; would
you kindly offer your views here.
It is still possible to assist him before the condition declines
further.
It really can be done, if you so deign.
What follows below is for your examination so that you may follow what
proceeded this current situation.
Derick :-)
On Aug 10, 2005, at 2:00 AM, David Froseth wrote:
Hi again Derick,
I tried intalling YDL 4.0.1 and it worked!!! I have the whole KDE
desktop working and internet, too! Thanks for the help! I have
wanted to try linux for a long time.
Still the Disk Utility picture in OS X looks strange:
_______________________
Untitled 512 MB
_______________________
Free Space 18.05 GB
_______________________
OS X 50.56 GB
_______________________
Untitled 18.05 GB
_______________________
Free Space 50.68 GB
_______________________
OS 9.2.2 5.29 GB
_______________________
The list to the left of this also reads:
disk0s10
OS X
disk0s12
OS 9.2.2
Is this normal? This looks very strange to me. The GB amounts also
add up to way more than a 80 gig drive can hold. Thanks for any
input. And thanks again for the help.
Dave
David Froseth wrote:
Derick,
I have finally got what I think is a good bootable backup of my OS
X & 9 HD, using DiskWarrior and Carbon Copy Cloner. I think some of
my last YDL partitioning problems came from trying to copy to and
swap a new hard drive into my laptop without ever doing any disk
maintenance. A little knowledge can give you enough confidence to
get into big trouble. Then you really learn something! I think my
original HD was so gummed up with borken permissions and directories
that the copy hard drive I installed in my computer was a mess. I
think YDL and all other Linux distros could start by telling people
that if they plan on a partitioned multi-os system then clean up the
os's on the existing partitions. Do a disk first aid operation.
I don't think you should attemt to install YDL untill you have
mastered how to make a bootable clone of your OS X hard drive. I
could be way off on this, maybe it doesn't matter. But, I have spent
a week getting my new hard drive and all of my OS X programs working
again. I eventually deleted my fink /sw file and I am now reloading
all of those programs. Having to relearn all of the fink stuff again
is good. I also have gained a much deeper and valuable understanting
of the underpinings of unix based os's by struggling with a fried
hard drive (actually 3 fried hard drives). Luckily I did not lose
any important data.
I read the YDL 2.2 guide and that made the process much more
understandable. Thanks for the advice. In trying my next attempt to
install YDL, I got to this point and had some questions:
Hard Drives
/dev/hda
/dev/hda9 Apple Bootstrap 1
2 4
/dev/hda10 swap 512
4 1045
/dev/hda12 / ext3
18487 1045 38605
/dev/hda11 hfs
51769 38605 143786
/dev/hda13 hfs
5422 144046 155061
My questions are:
Why does the OS X and OS 9 partitions have the number hda11 and
hda13? Why does the numbering start so high and why is 12 skipped by
OSX and OS 9?
Where are hda1 - hda8?
Is hda12 going to be physically placed between hda11 and hda13? The
picture at the top of the window looked right. The order of the
Start and End points seems to be right, except for the gap between
hda11 and hda13's start/end points - 143786,144046. What does that
mean?
Should hda11 and hda13 say hfs+?
I hope all of these little detail questions are relevent. Asking
questions about little details can help with the big picture. Any
advice you feel like giving would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again,
Dave
Derick Centeno wrote:
Hi Dave:
Here is a link to a TSS page which you really do want to read before
going any farther:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/installation/
guide2.2.shtml#install
Red Hat is useful sometimes but remember they couldn't care less
about OS 9 or other non-PC partitioning schemes so the likely hood
of you finding anything other than references to detailed
applications in Linux is really, really remote. In other words,
you are in a Apple PowerPC universe and those are the only
references which are going to be helpful. If you wish to learn
about details regarding creating mount points within Linux and so
on that is fine to use Red Hat but they will not tell you what a
MacOS partition looks like within Linux using any application like
pdisk or parted (partition editor). The page I found, created by
TSS the makers of YDL, will! That's what you need.
Attention: Although the page refers to YDL 2.2, the partitioning and
mount point instructions are consistent across all versions of YDL
for Macs. This will continue until Apple finally actually switches
to Intell and then everyone must consider to either stay with
PowerPC systems and move up to Genesi/Pegasos hardware or follow
Apple or just throw up one's hands and use PCs or Sun's or whatever
else is out there. May a HAL 2000 anyone? :-)
Oh yes... I forgot. After Apple switches to Intel, then maybe Red
Hat may show an interest in serving the users of the New Intel
based Macs who also want to use Linux.
That however will be a different list, probably not this one.
Best wishes...
On Aug 8, 2005, at 5:03 PM, David Froseth wrote:
Thanks Derick for the quick response. It helped. From now on I
will only do this critical setup manually. More questions. I
understand that the untitled spaces are linux partitions that OS X
does not recognize. Initially when I tried to manually input the
partition info I was asked for a mount point. The manual
partitioning would not continue unless I fill this in. Page 5 of
the "A Companion to Install YDL" does not tell you what to do. I
want to make sure I use up all of the free space and also put the
linux partitions in front of the OS X and OS 9 partitions. Any
explaination on how to control the spot on the hard drive where
the partitions reside? Thanks for any advice. I found some disk
druid tutorials on the net which are geared to Red Hat, I will
study them to see if I can figure this out more. Thanks again.
Dave
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