Thank you so much for the extensive amount of great help that you have offered!Looks like I have some work to do this weekend.
Robert,I am downloading the Ubuntu Desktop install as I type this..
Derek, you wrote about considerations that I had not been aware of. Particularly when it comes to the modem.And the links that you provided are invaluable.
I am a little familiar with Linux in that I have installed a version using Virtual PC.The instal was pretty straight forward.Let's see if I have the same results with YDL or any of the other Power PC versions.
I will keep you informed!
Thanx again.This is a wonderful support group. ;^)
Juan
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 17:31:31 -0400
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Have you tried Ubuntu? It works well on my eMac. It can be installed
from here:http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperrc
Make sure you use the power pc version (ppc) not windows. For YDL you
need the most recent yellowdog 4.1 .
I've used both and prefer ubuntu which allows you to use kde or gnome.
Hope this helps.
Bob
On May 28, 2006, at 12:56 AM, Juan R.Leon wrote:
Hey folks,-------------- next part --------------
I am so newbie that I need help in knowing what to download and
install on a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth. I checked out the various YDL
mirrors but it looks like hieroglyphics to me!What exactly do I
need to download? Is any one up to providing me with some discs?
Please excuse the naive questions,this is very new to me.
Thanx!
Juan
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 18:54:10 -0400
From: Derick Centeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie Needs Help!
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Greetings Juan:
First off, some precautions. Before you download or try anything get
into the habit of seeing if the software you are interested in (which
in this situation is the current YDL operating system) even runs on the
machine you have. Fortunately, TSS provides a means of doing just
that. Click on the link:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/support/hardware/breakdown/index.php?hw_cat_id=6
And scroll down to where your computer is listed. You should notice
several things:
1. Information regarding the video card you have installed and how YDL
runs with that card.
For details click upon the phrase "Video information", which
appears in blue without the quotes, of course.
2. Notice that although the internal soft modem is NOT supported,
links to downloading UNSUPPORTED modem drivers which may work are
provided. In order to access these drivers click upon the word "here"
highlighted in blue -- without the quotes. As you do so, you will be
taken to another website where you may follow the directions there.
However, even if you follow all the directions there is no guarantee
that the drivers found there will in fact work for you.
Consider it more on the order of, "they should work". Note that the
recommendation is that you purchase a USB modem, if your softmodem (or
internal modem) is not seen or recognized by YDL. Note that because the
internal modem is unsupported, your resort to assistance is limited to
coming to these lists here or anywhere else on the net gathering
whatever information you can. For the sake of fairness, downloading and
installing drivers is not as much work as other rather sophisticated
demands Linux places upon users, but it is perhaps unfair to expect a
complete newbie to engage in such a process.
Refer to this link regarding modems, just to get an idea:
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Modem-HOWTO-2.html
How can you determine whether your modem is seen by YDL or not?
Once your YDL system is up and running and you can login and choose a
particular desktop -- for this example, we will choose Gnome. The enter
your user name and password and then you will be brought into the
standard Gnome desktop environment. Look for the yellow on blue image
of a dog, this is your desktop menu. Click upon it and look for a label
called System Settings, from there move onto select a label called
Network. This will open a Dialog Box where you will be asked for the
password used by the System Administrator -- this is the same password
which is the password for root. Once this is done then something
appears called Network Configuration with a group of tabs and it's own
menu. Click upon the Hardware tab. Click upon the icon New; this
brings up a new dialog box called Choose Hardware Type. You will first
see:
Hardware type: Wireless
following the last s will be a wide v which is intended to be a downward
pointing arrow. Press that arrow, it signifies a pop-up where other
options... pop-up. Move the cursor over the selections and choose
Modem. Now you should see:
Hardware type: Modem
Now click on Ok. You will see a dialog box appear called Modem
configuration. Note that each option offers pop-ups.
You are now more familiar with the use of Network Configuration. This
is the same dialog box one will have to get to to configure or set up
the Ethernet port so that YDL can communicate over DSL. The difference
is that when you select the Hardware tab Linux should immediately find
the Ethernet hardware within your machine and you should see it
associated with eth0 as your device of Type Ethernet. Under the Devices
tab you should see:
Profile Status Device Nickname Type
Inactive eth0 eth0 Ethernet
All you need do is make sure Profile has a check under it; then click on
the word Activate and as far as Linux is concerned you can start up your
browser of choice and complete the process of logging onto or
registration with your broadband provider through that browser.
You can also use that same browser to configure or setup the router or
wireless router provided by the broadband ISP.
You could get around the problem of configuring or setting up your modem
entirely if you can afford either DSL or other high speed internet. In
such a situation you don't need a modem at all, you use your Ethernet
port which accepts an Ethernet cable connected to either a DSL or other
high speed device. This option will save you time and the details of
working through modem details few utilize any more -- it depends upon
your needs and what fits you best. Consider also that some companies
will say, like Verizon, that they don't support Linux. That doesn't
mean that you can't use Linux with their DSL service, but rather they
can't or won't help you link YDL (the version of Linux you use) to their
DSL or other highspeed networks.
Why was the above discussion necessary?
It turns out that some ISP's offer prices very close to the same pricing
as those services called dial-up services which require the use of a
modem. The top speed of the modem is 56K, by U.S. law. At that rate
you can easily spend 6-8 hours downloading just one file needed with
which to burn the first install CD. There are 4 such files which
need to be downloaded, and checked that they are entirely free of error
-- this is done via using an md5sum check before one creates or burns
the CDs. It is after the CDs have been created then one can begin with
the installation process. CD's today are pretty inexpensive. However,
if you don't know the details I've explained, you cannot easily turn the
fact of inexpensive CD's into something which works for you.
In considering the vast amount of time using dial-up technology consumes
it should become a bit clearer why broadband services are appearing more
reasonable. The slowest DSL available from Verizon cuts the download of
one file discussed above to just under 3 hours. If you can afford to
pay for more, the same file download time can be cut down to just
slightly under 1; there are faster rates at a higher pay rate of course.
Not all files are that huge but some programs and projects remain large
and seem to be getting larger (and therefore requiring more time to
download). The download time doesn't even include the setup procedures
necessary to build, or modify the application for use on your system.
It could be that an application exists which you want to use running
within a Linux environment on an Intel machine. You will then either
hope that someone created a binary of that program for use on your
PowerPC -- if that doesn't exist you will have to learn to create your
own version on your own. This skill is called building an application
from source.
Let's say for the sake of discussion that a working version of YDL
exists already. You have a DSL connection and you can access the net.
How do you keep your system updated? Well, that is where a program
called yum comes in. Yum does the heavy work for you such as finding
where on Earth the programs you are looking for are, what they need to
function and many other really neat things. However, discussing yum is
a separate subject.
I may have provided a wee bit too much information, but once you've
selected or narrowed down what it is you need or researched a little
further regarding Linux System Administration (several books exist on
this subject) you'll see that all I really did is cover general
fundamentals since your plea was a bit general in the first place.
The Linux Documentation Project is a great Linux resource to have as a
newbie.
Check them out here: http://www.tldp.org/
Best of Luck....
On May 28, 2006, at 12:56 AM, Juan R.Leon wrote:
Hey folks,
I am so newbie that I need help in knowing what to download and
install on a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth. I checked out the various YDL
mirrors but it looks like hieroglyphics to me!What exactly do I need
to download? Is any one up to providing me with some discs?Please
excuse the naive questions,this is very new to me.
Thanx!
Juan
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:45:31 -0400
From: Derick Centeno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie Needs Help! - Part 2
To: Discussion List for New Yellow Dog Linux Users
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Hi Juan:
I'll enter into some details here which I didn't cover previously.
Of the various reasons to go to a YDL mirror, three are the most common:
1. To download files called iso's. They have that name because
regardless what their names actually are they all in with the suffix
.iso!
These can be large or small but they always must be downloaded
first and then burned onto a CD. They can be downloaded and burned
from within either the Mac OS or from within YDL. Here are the links
to the details on how to do that from within each OS:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/resources/downloads.shtml
2. One wants to modify yum.conf so that the application called yum can
access as many mirrors as one finds useful, install whatever is needed
so that a desired application or set of applications are available for
use as quickly as possible. Here is a decent resource for your
consideration:
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_article/yum_article/node19.html
3. One needs to compile an application from source. Source within
computer science circles is considered to be instructions which are
designed by a human for a computer to execute. Source (also known as
code) can utilize a variety of languages formally used within computer
science for that purpose: C, C++, FORTRAN, COBOL, BASIC, and so on.
Open source refers not to the computer language however, but to how the
code is utilized in practice; open source is intended to be shared and
viewed any by and all persons.
Closed source refers to code owned by an individual or company; in
short, proprietary. Between Open and Closed source there also exists a
range of possible distinctions. One should read carefully the
distinctions mentioned in the software one uses because in general
using software means you agree to be bound by the definitions of the
company or individual who designed it.
Consider the now legendary legal case initiated by SCO Unix claiming
that Unix code was stolen and utilized within Linux. Without getting
into the details which one can read for oneself elsewhere, get into the
practice of ensuring that the software used on your Linux system is in
fact strictly open source or following a version of open source (also
known as GPL - General Public License) as closely as possible. Within
the Open Source community there exists contributions of amazing
applications from individuals, groups, and even private companies and
even from the US government! Some of these efforts or contributions
are considered to be known as Projects as the complexity of the
application includes many features and utilities. However, as long as
they are open source or follow the GPL or a reasonable version of it;
you should have no difficulty regarding your right to have, use it or
modify it as you please -- as long as any changes you make doesn't
remove it from being an open source product/project.
4. One wants to study the source of a particular application. This is
one of the most valuable aspects of the open source community effort.
Everyone can learn something from such study as few are experts in
everything. Consider that the standard languages available for use
within YDL include C, C++ and FORTRAN and a handful of others. C and
C++ are used more commonly and so it is useful to become well versed in
recognizing, correcting, and writing programs in those languages. One
can read books and educate oneself or attend standard academic computer
science courses.
Recall that regarding CDs I already mentioned that blank CDs can be
acquired today from nearly any local music or computer store, even some
pharmacy chains such as CVS or Duane Reade or others. Again acquiring
them is not the real problem; the other factors such as knowing how to
save your time and knowledge effectively is the challenge for us all.
In that sense, the "playing field" is rather equal.
Best wishes.....
On May 28, 2006, at 12:56 AM, Juan R.Leon wrote:
Hey folks,
I am so newbie that I need help in knowing what to download and
install on a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth. I checked out the various YDL
mirrors but it looks like hieroglyphics to me!What exactly do I need
to download? Is any one up to providing me with some discs?Please
excuse the naive questions,this is very new to me.
Thanx!
Juan
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